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masterkiller New user 75 Posts |
Is there such a thing?
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Vinnie Laraway Inner circle 1272 Posts |
No.
People can learn by just watching other performers, but you can not just know how to do it on your own naturally... Plus its dangerous because you don't know how to deal with the abreactions. -Vinnie |
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Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
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On 2007-05-20 15:16, Vinnie Laraway wrote: Thanks, Vinnie, you just saved me a lot of typing! Lee Darrow, C.H. Moderator
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Vinnie Laraway Inner circle 1272 Posts |
Heh, no problem Lee. =]
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
How did Mesmer learn?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Bad example Slim except to put forth your own willingly blind agenda.
I make no claim either way, except to say that the first Doctors were self taught too. Along with dentists, and physical therapists. Would you go to one now? How about car mechanics? I can go back to the dark ages and find many an artist who is self taught. Point is here in Branson many many man musicians are self taught, and can hold their own with the most musically educated people. BUT the bottom line is this, they hold nobody or their welfare in their hands. Self taught makes no sense from a stage saftey point of view. Forget abreactions as they are in debate constantly, forget trance as it is also up for debate. BUT nobody debates that people have intrusted their welfare to you while they are on stage. For this I think at LEAST you should have some live interaction training. I find it impossible to believe you would argue this point. Mind you I am not saying YEARS of training, but some interactive training to give people an idea what may happen is not a bad thing.
Danny Doyle
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
When asking a simple question is taken as an argument and pushing an agenda, then you need to join the government. They are pretty good at this kind of thing.
I just asked a simple question. Why get so riled?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Slim you ask pointed questions in a passive agressive fashion. It is tiresome and does NOTHING but put forth your idea that self taught is fine.
As I said from a pure "anything can happen and will" point of view, it is just not too smart.
Danny Doyle
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I honestly just wanted a little more information on Mesmer. Nothing more than that. How he invented this kind of effect....Stuff like that.
Sorry if the NLP in my question is getting you worked up
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Slim it dosn't get me worked up, it just is laughable.
If you want accurate information on Mesmer for real, just type that in to a search engine and you will have more information than you know what to do with. I think you may be shocked with what you find actually. Most only know the word of mouth, but he was facinating far beyond the tree story. I do recomend doing that.
Danny Doyle
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I've read quite a lot about him. I was wondering what others here on the green pages thought.
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Hypno Regular user England 118 Posts |
Hi Slim
If you really want to know who inspired Mesmer you should look into a man named Father Glassner, a Swiss Roman Catholic priest. This link may provide you with a starting point for your research. http://www.history.com/tdih.do?action=td......;id=4812 Although on a more pedantic note you could claim that Mesmer was a mesmerist and not a hypnotist at all due to the fact that James Braid did not coin the term hypnotism for another 27 years. All the best. Hypno. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I've always liked the term Mesmerized over Hypnotized.
Thanks for the article.
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MagiClyde Special user Columbus, Ohio 871 Posts |
I'd be more interested in trying to figure out how anyone discovered that a person could be hypnotized in the first place. Might just do a google search later this evening...or this morning, as the case may be.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
You will have a tough time finding a culture in the history of the world that has not used some form of hypnosis.
The term coined as "hypnosis" didn't define it for all of them but when you look at what was going on, it falls into the realm. This is part of what makes it so facinating.
Danny Doyle
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
If you watched Derren Browns last Trick or Treat...... He had a woman "Seemingly" watch her own demise...Was that Hypnotism or WHAT? There was hypnotism involved, but what of the lasting effects of this on the girl?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
None, as telling the future is not part of hypnosis. No lasting effects at all.
Lasting effects, not likely with a stooge. Derren has a nice habit of making controversial TV, but little hypnosis actually happens. He is on TV and that is cool, but he is to hypnosis what Velvita Cheese is to a dairy product.
Danny Doyle
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I like Velvita from time to time
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Many do and it serves a fantastic purpose. Nothing wrong with it at all.
Danny Doyle
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Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
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On 2007-05-21 23:52, Slim King wrote: Point 1 - Mesmer did not really invent the techniques for what we do as stage hypnotists. He invented a method for inducing catharsis and used high expectations to help people through a combination of suggestion and placebo effect to effect his cures. Point 2 - This is not a forum to discuss therapeutic methodology. Point 3 - From an NLP standpoint, you need to work on your methodology. You presupposed that people would supply information about Mesmer based on your comment about him without a more clearly implied opening to do so. Your calibration was a bit off. ;) No slam, Slim. This applies to everybody as the confusion about Mesmer and hypnosis is pretty widespread. De Pusyegeur is really the guy who started applying the idea of suggestion to helping people with their problems in a direct way. Mesmer believed that his cures were done by "magnetic fluid." Not the same thing at all, as the Blue Ribbon Commission pointed out. However, I agree, in large with what Danny said about self taught stage hypnotists and safety issues. In fact, it's one of the reasons why I wrote my ebook on the topic OF safety for stage hypnotists (and lecture demonstrators as well). There are just too many ways for things to go wrong from a physical standpoint - getting people on and off stage, making sure the volunteers don't trip all over each other and the myriad of things that can go wrong from a purely physical standpoint ( as well as volunteers who "go strange" on you, too) for a self-taught stage hypnotist to even think of, let alone plan for. After 40 years of performing (I started at age 15 - and yes, I had a mentor), I am still learning just how creative Murphy's Laws can be! Lee Darrow, C.H.
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