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Paul Budd
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I spent some time yesterday working on the sleights in chapter 1 of Bobo's "Modern Coin Magic".......yesterday (and 457 times before yesterday) I've found I have the hardest time back-palming a half-dollar.....AND my hands are small!! Any tips/ideas?? Is it easier if you have large hands??
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You'll want to start off with a coin that fits your hand the best. After you've practiced that (for a very very long time) try using different sized coins. When you vary the coins, you'll start to get a better feel for the weight and balance of each coin. You may find that after a few weeks/months/years of practice you can do what you thought was impossible.

When I started out in coin magic I did a lot of back palming. Today I don't bother with it. Even when performed proficiently I don't think it's very deceptive concealment. Very few magicians (IMHO)use the back palm effectively.

That, said, one of my favorite coin tricks is Bobo's "pulse trick", which does use the back palm. so I would NEVER say NEVER use the back palm. Good luck, and enjoy your practice!

PS.. do a search... you'll find lots more on this subject.
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Jaz
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The Escee item on page 340 might help..
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I don't use it at all , I can goshman pinch without a problem but never liked back palming.I guess you use whatever feels best and there is always an alternative to use anyway.
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Shaun is right, just use the more versatile Tenkai/Goshman Pinch when you need to backpalm a coin, works just as well in most cases and is a lot easier to get down and doesn't depend how small your hands are or even how big or small the coins are. T/G Pinch is a better choice IMHO. Smile -MB
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I concur Goshman or Tenkai..Howard
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Deep Back Clip is worth looking into as well.
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The best teaching resource for backclipping is Paul Cummin's "Up in Smoke" DVD. He goes into great detail how to get in and out of backclip. And yes, it works just fine with small, lean hands.
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In the right place and at the right time the back palm is great....esp with the right coin. If the coin is too large it will flash and if it is too small your hand will be distorted.

I never had anyone else second this, but one of my favorites from Bobo's is The Elusive Silver Dollar. When I started learning it I felt like it would be more of a flourish....then I started doing it and it blow people away.

If you are starting out I suggest that you work a little every day on the back palm, but I wouldn't focus on it. In time it will come. Focus on what you are using at the moment.
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I'd agree with Jaz, while the Tenkai/Goshman is much easier to do, and accomplishes largely the same thing, if you want to learn and use the backpalm, and you have small hands in comparrison to the size coin you use, you need to adjust how far back on your and you place it. My hands are too large for a quarter anywhere, I take a half dollar fairly far up on my fingers and a dollar goes much further back. You just have to adjust for hand and coin size.
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Milled edges on the coin make the grip easier.
The back palm is best performed as a dance of the hands; it is for the showing of the beauty of hand movements, upon which a coin alights.
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As other people have mentioned, try different sizes of coins and practice, practice, practice. You have to get to the point where you can actually hold the coin between the end fingers very securely, whether on front or back and be able to move it without thinking about it.

It is an old slight that has seemed to go out of favor. However, sometimes the old stuff works fine. I happened to pick up my Amature Magicians Handbook the other day and found a recovery from the backpalm that I had missed before. It just goes to show that you can keep learning and expanding your knowledge.

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