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Alym Amlani
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I'm taking a course in my business school and need to do a presentation on leadership; have any of you incorporated magic to teach leadership?

I can't think of an immediate connection but I'm sure it's been done!
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Joe M. Turner does leadership seminars, training classes, etc., all of which use magic. I spoke with him this morning, and he will be glad to help you. Here is his contact information:

Website: http://www.joemturner.com
E-mail: jmt@joemturner.com

Good luck...
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With a little creativity you could use magic to help teach the pillars of character. Remember it's the audience interactions which do the instructing.
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Alym Amlani
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Thanks to both of you! I've emailed Joe and will definitely give this some more thought.

Cheers!
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I do have a different view on magic and leadership. Leadership requires transparency and openness. The opposite of magic. To state that a good magician is a good leader is rather unconnected.

Anyway, good luck and share your experience . . .
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Andy, a leader must project those things yet also ...
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Jon, if a leader is not authentic, he will not be one for a very long time . . .
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Presently I am in search for material that would be appropriate for a lecture on team building leadership for Forest Fire Fighters.

I have contacted Joe and will continue to look for other sources.

Eric
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I provide team building presentations and workshops regularly and do incorporate some magic. There is a video of my intro to a workshop here http://www.amazingcompanyevents.com/corporate-team-building/

If what you do normally involves audience participation, it has elements of teamwork. Pretty easy when it comes to effect selection.

The hard part is developing useful informational content. If you have this figured out, then pick an effect or two and brainstorm how they fit into the concepts your present.
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On 2013-04-09 21:11, Papasmurf wrote:
Presently I am in search for material that would be appropriate for a lecture on team building leadership for Forest Fire Fighters.

I have contacted Joe and will continue to look for other sources.

Eric


It would seem that using a case study of Wagner Dodge in the Mann Gulch fire would be a great start on looking at leadership, the importance of a team having confidence in their leader, and team preparation (and what not to do) -- for firefighters and anyone else.
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Great advice.

It is funny you mentioned the Mann Gulch fire, because last week I started off my lecture with this song written and sung by Albertan John Kelaghan.
One of the most heart wrenching songs I have heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qomNoN7MCYg

This is a powerful lesson in leadership.
I do have to continue to work and develop the message.

Many thanks,

Eric
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This is a blog entry from a while back about the similarities between a great performer and a great leader. I used it to close a banquet show.
http://erictyree.wordpress.com/2012/05/2......leaders/
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I have a real problem with making leadership a speaking point if you have never been a leader.Although I can agree with Eric's blog post on the surface, there is a huge difference between being a leader for 45 minutes or weekend seminar and doing it day in & day out in moments of crisis and daily challenges.
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Thanks for making that point. I think the decision by some to present themselves as a speaker/authority on corporate leadership, management, or team-building when they have never led, managed, or built a corporate team is not only damaging to the reputation of the person who makes the false claim, but also damages the market for other performers who use magic but who *do* have legit credentials.

I've advised people that they'll go farther faster by building their business on the truth.

Credibility counts - I wrote another blog about it here a couple of years ago.
http://turnermagic.com/2011/11/credibili......network/

Cheers.
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So true. This is also quite common in the (believe it or not) education market. You would not believe the amount of kids magicians that try to pass themselves off as authorities or experts on such topics as bullying, computer safety, stranger danger, academic improvement or as a motivational speaker and so on, simply because they can twist a few tricks with a "theme" from their regular kids magic show. You advice is well expressed.
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On 2013-05-01 16:54, Joe M. Turner wrote:
Thanks for making that point. I think the decision by some to present themselves as a speaker/authority on corporate leadership, management, or team-building when they have never led, managed, or built a corporate team is not only damaging to the reputation of the person who makes the false claim, but also damages the market for other performers who use magic but who *do* have legit credentials.

I've advised people that they'll go farther faster by building their business on the truth.

Credibility counts - I wrote another blog about it here a couple of years ago.
http://turnermagic.com/2011/11/credibili......network/

Cheers.


I completely agree.
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