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BobGreaves Regular user London, UK 152 Posts |
I watched Slydini's coins through the table using 6 silver coins and 1 copper coin. This prompted me to re-watch David Roth's version of it too. While both performed superbly I was left feeling that I had missed something: I couldn't see any logical reason for using a copper coin or passing the coins through in groups of 3. It would seem logical that the silver coins went one-by-one or 6 at a time and why use a copper coin?
Does anyone else have the same problem? or is it just me? Bob |
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Jim Salabim Loyal user Skien, Norway 240 Posts |
I feel exactly the same way. I never understood the point of having that copper coin there at all.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Logical? What specifically is logical about passing coins through the table in the first place?
"Fussless" handlings of CTT started making the rounds in the 1970s. Fred Kaps showed his "all at once" version when he lectured in 75. Two of mine made it into Apocalypse. Then again there's the old cap and pence style approach which predates all of this and sets up the glass through table as well.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2007-05-23 09:19, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Hey, how you think I collect money to buy drinks in this place? Logical to me, for sure- keep dropping those coins through the tables, guys. But I agree, the copper don't work as well as the silver. Use another silver. And if they'd drop the glass through with something IN it, I wouldn't need the silver. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If you go back a ways to look at Slydini's and Vernon's handlings they also suggested using a ring. Now perhaps the ring attracts the money and it works even with a table in the way?
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Oh I gotta ring- it works. But if you gotta ask how, I ain't gonna tell YOU, JONATHAN TOWNSEND, hello.
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BobGreaves Regular user London, UK 152 Posts |
I can understand that the copper coin makes that HPC look more plausible from a handling perspective.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Plausible?
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BobGreaves Regular user London, UK 152 Posts |
Plausible: "having a show of truth or reason". It's a term we use in England.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Yes, and how would the addition of the copper coin or ring add a componant of plausible? Beyond the "far from tactful" aspect of showing (via gross action no less) the audience something they can infer on their own. hmmm?
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Bob Gerdes Loyal user Northport, NY 237 Posts |
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On 2007-05-23 11:51, BobGreaves wrote: Doesn't this answer your own question , then? Or am I misunderstanding you? Bob
Eschew obfuscation
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I like Paul Chosse's posted approach using a black magic marker and a good sense of the absurd.
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mfeld Elite user San Francisco 457 Posts |
Maybe Curtis Kam will post this at some point, but something he brought up in one of his lecture notes (that I agree with wholeheartledly) was not only does the existance of the copper coin not make sense, but how does it make sense to pick up 3 coins in your fist then bang on the table and show one has gone through? Wouldn't it make more sense to pick up one coin at a time and then push each through the table?
This is the basic idea I've used to come at my own presentations for teh effect. I think naturalness is very important for magic. think about how you would do it if you really could and then make your magic look as close to that as possible.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
I think it's a mistake to look for "logical reasons" and other theatrical devices (like motivation, plot, etc.) in this presentation. Slydini was directly challenging the audience, playing a "game" with them. He would constantly ask "is this fair?" "How many coins here?" etc. This is not a case of the coins playing a role in the enactment of a fantasy, in the Slydini presentation, the spectators themselves are part of the story.
Different rules apply in different situations. A game doesn't have to make sense--after all, what does it really matter if the ball goes through the hoop--it just has to present a fair chance of winning. IF you're trying to create the illusion that you're not doing anything tricky, then you're back in more "conventional" territory. In that case, the analysis in my notes applies. (Thanks for noticing)
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
Putting coins through a table has been one of my favorite effects for years. I don't think that in the 35 years or so of doing this trick I ever had a spectator question my motivation, the logic of the presentation, why I would chooses to hold a few coins in my hand rather than put them through one at a time, or visa versa. Instead, I have had them touch the table, look under the table, and check out the coins. To them, this effect looks like real magic.
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BobGreaves Regular user London, UK 152 Posts |
Wow, Jim Salbin, mfeld, KC and MR and any others who actually addressed my question, thanks. I shall look at the effect with fresh eyes now.
JT: I am sorry but I haven't a clue what you are talking about, but I am sure that it would be very instructive, and relevant to my question, if I did. Bob Gerdes: I think that the copper coin, by being dumped on the 3 silver coins as part of the HPC, makes it seems more convincing in that they they look as though they were all associated in the same hand originally. But this is a reason for the magician to do it. I was thinking of reasons to set up like that from the spec's point of view. Bob |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
The diligent readers here found Paul Chosse's contribution where the performer takes a marker to draw a hole in the table, drops the coins through and then erases the hole. Others saw fit to ask via PM when they did not get the reference on their own which is also a viable path.
Perhaps a slot would suffice?
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2007-05-24 01:35, Michael Rubinstein wrote: :pepsi: Yep. Magical. |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Though all magic plots don't have to be logical some might include...
Solids are not really solid Transportation "under the table" as in drinking to much through a table made of two bricks and a board.. as a finale break the board with your hand(for trained only) and find a coin within... snatch the rock/coin from my hand grasshopper.. Now and zen I love to use medication er meditation and coin magic... Seems like York also used a ring with his coins.. Ring Ring Ring... hello good bye said Nigel the puppet that talks and rocks.
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rutabaga Inner circle Toronto, Canada 1283 Posts |
Harris, you really are out to lunch my friend.. but I kinda like it!
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