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evikshin
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I've been working on Greek Poker for quite some time, but I'm unable to master his riffle stacking, where he stacks the aces for himself in two riffle shuffles. I've read Roberto Giobbi's tutorial on riffle stacking in Card College, but still, I struggle with it. Any advice on the technical aspects of riffle stacking, and how to practice, etc?

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Just practice I'm afraid.

You'll have to experiment with various hand positions (I prefer to stack with my index finer curled on top, but I know that Darwin stacks with all his fingers straight on the backs) and learn to hold back the necessary cards. This is actually not so difficult. The hard part is getting a good even tempo.

I can't recall any sources that teach HOW to stack, only sources that lay out different combinations of stacking (such as 3 shuffles to stack a hold-em hand in a ten player game, how to stack a double duke for a three player game, etc).

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This might sound patronizing but its much easier once you have learnt to riffle a deck in the proper manner. See Erdnase who explains it better than anyone. Watch the way guys like Dave Malek shuffle for example. If you practice the Erdnase riffle shuffle peek IMHO that helps to give the feel and position the hands should be in. You have to start with a good foundation so to speak. It does take a lot of practice. It sounds like your jumping in at the deep end trying to stack four like Ortiz, try stacking one first.
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I do it in 3 shuffles. It's much easier that way, you don't have to hold back as many cards.
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It is easier in 3 shuffles.

Tommy's suggestion is great- start by stacking ONE card. Follow it up with Stacking 2 cards for a 5 handed game. Experiment with stacking 2 cards for 3-6 player games.

Then work your way up.

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Hi Evikshin,

I have a feeling the riffle stacking in Greek Poker is one reason why I have avoided learning this effect. Its the same requirement for Fast Shuffle which I have had to modify in order to avoid the dreaded two shuffle situation. Three shuffles does simplify matters a little. Four shuffles would potentially harm pace but you could always fill the time with some interesting patter. I have found that practicing free drop riffle shuffles is helped by using the Bicycle Master deck. The extra thickness seems to aid accuracy but this might just be me. The bottom line this that all riffle stacking takes a great deal of practice in order to acquire the degree of accuracy that will withstand a performance. Good luck.

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It's on At the Card Table, and I think he does the shuffles without
looking at the cards.... Smile ...
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If you are using site to stack you will never get it up to performance speed.

It has to be by touch. You have to just KNOW, let a sixth sense, that you are dropping five and three, otherwise the shuffling pace will be too slow.
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A good way to practice "the sixth sense" is to have one card face up with the rest of the deck face down. Then stack that card to how ever many players are playing (4) once you are able to do one with out looking, turn 2 face up an proceed to stack them so they fall every 5, this way its easier to see how you progress IMO. And so on. This is just one way I built up my proficiency. It takes time. Also start holding blocks of 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12 So you can get the feel of what your looking for - start bigger an work lower its easier. I don't need to hold back much more than that. It will depend on what your going for in the end.
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There's no such thing as a sixth sense. Or at least, a sixth sense is not yet known. This falls under "touch," one of the five senses.
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Not looking at the deck while riffle stacking is the ideal and I think Stacked makes some interesting suggestions about how to improve. However, it is not absolutely neccessary for all gambling routines in my opinion. I seem to remember in 'Scams and Phantasies' that even Darwin Ortiz suggests that the odd glance or two can't really hurt. Martin Nash, in the Beyond part of his 'Infinity and Beyond' DVD actually recommends eyeballing the cards during riffle stacking in one of his gambling routines. One important reason for not looking has to do with engaging the audience. They will tend to follow your gaze and if you are rivited on the deck for any length of time, they will be as well. If you can riffle stack fairly briskly and accurately helped by looking at the deck then I think its possible to get away with it. There is some leaway here because looking while shuffling is what people normally do at the card table. But it has to be quick. In the world of the hustler, its often a bad idea not to look while riffling as this can tip off a skillful handlng of the cards. On reflection, I think the underlying issue here is whether combining touch with looking slows the riffle stacking compared with touch alone. I suspect this will be down to individual preference based on the method that produces the fastest and most accurate result.

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So far when I do it, it looks more like Geek Poker... Smile ..
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