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Does anyone do this trick? I've never seen it mentioned in he Café, yet it's buried in plain sight in Stars Of Magic.

It's a neat trick and not at all difficult. However, there is an odd discrepancy and I wonder if anyone who performs it has been called on it.

It's when you do the triple turnover of the second selection. By rights, the card beneath it should be face down and not, as is the case, face up. This is not mentioned in the text.
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Ross,
I just went through this trick to refresh my memory, and I don't have this happening. When I do the TL, the card underneath is face down, exactly as it should be. I am referring to the TL at the top of page 109, right column, first paragraph. Is this the one?
PM me or we can move this to secret sessions, if you like, I'm interested in figuring this out.
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I'm not sure there's a lot of exposure going on, but I'm happy if the mods want to move this to secret sessions.

Yes, we have the same edition, and you're at the right place.

"Turn over the red duece...and place it face up on the table." Yup got that.
"The Q of C will be face up on top of the deck." Check.
"Execute [a triple lift - I'm paraphrasing for brevity] Place the top card (the supposed QC) face down on the red deuce..." Check.
"The second red duece is now face up on top of the deck." Indeed it is, but if you were REALLY doing what you were supposed to be doing, it would be face down.

Wouldn't it?
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You're right Ross.
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On 2007-05-27 13:37, ross welford wrote:
I'm not sure there's a lot of exposure going on, but I'm happy if the mods want to move this to secret sessions.

Yes, we have the same edition, and you're at the right place.

"Turn over the red duece...and place it face up on the table." Yup got that.
"The Q of C will be face up on top of the deck." Check.
"Execute [a triple lift - I'm paraphrasing for brevity] Place the top card (the supposed QC) face down on the red deuce..." Check.
"The second red duece is now face up on top of the deck." Indeed it is, but if you were REALLY doing what you were supposed to be doing, it would be face down.

Wouldn't it?

No, it wouldn't, but it WOULD be the "opposite" deuce (This IS a discrepancy, but it will pass. Dr. Daley was being absolutely truthful when he pattered about using the two deuces to cause "psychic confusion!"
You have just executed a TRIPLE, instead of a SINGLE. The fact that you have two cards hidden, and faced, leaves the next card in the right position (It's just the wrong deuce)
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Wrong deuce?
The first 2 is a single so it's what it is.
The only thing wrong with the second 2 is that it should be face down.
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Jaz and Ross,
D**ned if you aren't right!
I just went through it again and you are absolutely correct!
I couldn't see it before, even going through the moves looking for it, and I guess that's why it flies in performance, the turnovers conceal the discrepancy.

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Agreed, this is one of those happy discrepancies in which the card appears in the wrong condition, but it's the one that makes more sense to the audience. Probably says a lot about the way we process "facts" in general, and the way expectations shape perceptions.

Thanks for reminding me about this one. I haven't thought about that lovely switching sequence in a long time. Time to again...
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You had me wondering Don. Smile
It's a nice routine and it does fly right by for most folks.
If there are worries, a little time delay before laying out the second 2 would help.
It would be interesting to try and do away the discrepancy as I'm sure some may have done.
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On 2007-05-27 17:51, Jaz wrote:

It would be interesting to try and do away the discrepancy as I'm sure some may have done.


I was thinking the same thing, although It would only be worth it if it could be done without increasing the handling.
This trick is very clean, and very strong, precisely because there doesn't appear to be any handling at all between seeing the selection placed between the two deuces and the revelation of the transposition. It fits Darwin Ortiz's criteria for a well-designed miracle as it is, and I'd be inclined to leave it alone rather than **** it up.
It took me TWO hands-on run-throughs just to SEE the discrepancy! Smile
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Odd that it's not mentioned in the book, though?
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On 2007-05-27 20:00, ross welford wrote:
Odd that it's not mentioned in the book, though?

I agree, and that's one of the things that misled me. Vernon was VERY involved in the production of this book, and with the attention to detail he was so well known for, it's inconceivable that this would have slipped past him.
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Perhaps Daley didn't think it needed mentioning, since it's a fine example of "Daley's Rule" in action. You know, "every good trick has at least one discrepancy".
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Yes...but TBH I've never quite understood that. Don't we generally work to eliminate discrepancies? Or are we confusing our terms? I keep playing with this Itinerant Pasteboards and the "mistake" amuses me but I do wonder if an especially astute spectator would notice.
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Because of the capitalized words, I tend to think that the focus may have been more on the lift than the routine.
Like Don, I had played around with this routine some time ago and really never noticed a posssible problem before.
While I doubt many, if any, will notice the discrepancy, I have been playing with ideas.
A switch in "The Magic of Michael Ammar" is one thing I looked at. Not bad but not as direct either.
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