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artofillusion77
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I dunno maybe it is how you say maybe its not....i don't really care what you think I respect both of your opinions why can't you respect mine? I think he has a method becuase of all the people that are surrounded with him.
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I can not respect an opinion, when it is just contrary to fact.

Can I respect your opinion if you tell me 2=2+5?

Can we respect the opinion that gravity will not pull us to the planet?

Obviously no. Opinions have to have some representation in reality to be respected unfortunatly.
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Can we respect the opinion that gravity will not pull us to the planet?

I never once said criss can fly. all I said was that I think he has a method. the same way he has a method for walking down the building. your insulting my intelligence at this point why is uncalled for. all magic is contrary to fact. that's why we do it to make the impossible possible
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Dude, you need to understand that there's nothing that can make people fly like that without the use of stooges and camera tricks. It's nice to believe in stuff and all, but come on.. This is pretty obsurd.

Next thing you will tell us that he found a real method to walk on water with regular people swimming around him. (He didn't).

I'm really not trying to offend you, I just find it pretty weird to see these kind of naive posts on a magic forum.
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GUYS!!!

It's just entertainment and he "made it" - let's face it... He broke a few "rules" sure - as a magician I hate him but as a marketer I love him. One of my close friends is in his "think tank" coming up with stuff all the time - he told me there is approx 150 people working on his show (including plants etc.). the whole thing is put together as a movie - except telling anybody about this - sure he makes magicians mad but who cares? Did it work for HIM? Betcha he gor like 100 mil contract that will allow him to be the real illusionist he wanted to be and if didn't chose that route he would be still doing some frigging parties like the rest of us... TV is not about magic - it's all about RATINGS guys. and let me tell you it's not easy for magicians to get them these days (for the "pure unspoiled ethical" magicians that is - check it out your self). If you can get them by camera tricks good for you, the only people who care are magicians, but they are not paying Chriss $100 mil so it's all good...

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Regardless of what people say that you may hate him as a magician, I think he's done a lot for our art...Don't hate Criss as a person just because you dislike his act...hes a great person with a great heart
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Maybe this should be in the "Grand DElussion" section, for you seem to be under one.

Yes Criss is a great person if you say so. It still does not make his performance choices smart.

I don't believe I questioned his heart.
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Everyone here makes good points.

I think the problem starts when someone signs a 20 special or whatever it is magic deal.

Aren't there only like 7 tricks in magic? Levitation, vanish, penetration, etc..

It's just too much of course it's going to end up being repetitive crap and he will need to resort to whatever means just to keep the show going.

Only sign for what you can do. I do 12 good minutes. If I were to agree to a 10 special deal I'd be doing a disservice to magic. That's what he's done in my opinion.

I have no problem making fun of him or his personal life because it's in the news.. by his request. You asked for fame, you take what comes with it. Fair enough?

The only other point I'd like to make is that everything has a lifespan. When we're born we're novel and exciting. Then we get old and not so exciting. Then we fall apart and are gone. It happens to neighborhoods too. They start out good, they end up boarded up and dangerous. It's no coincidence that magic is now being performed primarily in the ghetto. The magic we grew up with is reaching the end of it's lifespan and people are resorting to camera tricks, cgi.. anything to get one last gasp.

Magic is being reborn, but not as anything we would recognize as magic and certainly not in these Criss Angel specials. Or Blaine.

The future of magic is more along the lines of this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fb6DA6Y4hjY

People are fooled, they are intrigued and excited. They don't know what the heck to think. And nobody had to resort to camera tricks or cgi. It's real magic. Old school.

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LAS VEGAS, NV (July 16, 2007) -- Lindsay Lohan left rehab on Friday following the completion of a 45-day residential treatment program, and was seen at a Las Vegas club the following night.


Lohan's party received another surprise as "Mindfreak" magician Criss Angel arrived at the club, joining the group on the main VIP stage. Lohan took the mic to give a shout out to Angel, said the rep, to which the "packed house went wild." The rep said that Lohan and Angel hung out chatting and laughing until closing, at which point they left the club together.

Reports indicate that Lohan and Angel were playing Blackjack at the club, and then they were escorted to Lindsay's suite at Caesars Palace.

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Don't confuse art with business... He has done business. True art, as far a magic goes, would not abuse the medium of television so heavy handedly, just for the sake of a few cheap thrills.

All that it takes is one appearance by stooges on an episode of Oprah and discredit everything... Not only everything that he does, but everything that anyone might do on television in the future.

Or the exposure of an effect that is so heavily dependent upon camera choreography and cuts that when someone finds out how it was done they feel that the effect was 'cheating' and not ingenious.

At this point, with Criss Angel, we might as well be watching cartoons.

There is SOOOOO much good magic out there that could be done... With all of the money that is being made, why can't they just use all of the magic that's out there instead of having to set up so many bally stunts and contrived outcomes?

I feel that most tricks for sale can be done effectively by the inventor of the piece. Why don't they get inventors like me to fly out to Vegas, or wherever, teach Criss the effect and the nuances that make that effect work successfully for me, and then adapt it, on the fly, for Criss?

I would sell more of my effects, audiences would see more creative magic, and we'd get to see a better produced version of youtube stuff, while restoring the trust and credibility to a medium that is being compromised, episode by episode.

What I liked about David Blaine's early specials is that he was a little less into the hype, and more into using simple, effective stuff. Then, he would use the trick photography/editing/media manipulation stuff to put an exclamation point on an effect like the Balducci, just to catch us off guard.

Using that kind of manipulation as heavily as Criss Angel does is like getting addicted to a drug... Anything used in the extreme as much as Criss Angel uses manipulation of the medium of television leaves many of us without much enthusiasm for his work.

To answer your question, I believe that this will do damage to both. The worst part is the damage to magic, because those of us practicing the art didn't ask for this, and we deserve better. Stop using the medium to enable your shortcuts. Get back to the basics of effective LIVE effects and the REAL audience reactions to them.
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On 2007-07-16 13:41, laci200 wrote:
LAS VEGAS, NV (July 16, 2007) -- Lindsay Lohan left rehab on Friday following the completion of a 45-day residential treatment program, and was seen at a Las Vegas club the following night.


Lohan's party received another surprise as "Mindfreak" magician Criss Angel arrived at the club, joining the group on the main VIP stage. Lohan took the mic to give a shout out to Angel, said the rep, to which the "packed house went wild." The rep said that Lohan and Angel hung out chatting and laughing until closing, at which point they left the club together.

Reports indicate that Lohan and Angel were playing Blackjack at the club, and then they were escorted to Lindsay's suite at Caesars Palace.

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Sounds pretty convienent for both of them dosn't it?
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I wouldn't touch Lindsay Lohan with YOUR wand.
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Um isn't criss old enough to be her dad?
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What's the difference between Lindsay Lohan and a street light?

One's a skinny pole that's dim all day and lit all night and the other guides pedestrians.
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I have no problem making fun of him or his personal life because it's in the news.. by his request. You asked for fame, you take what comes with it. Fair enough?



Absolutely! If you don't want the hassels that come along with fame, don't go on TV and try to make a name for yourself. He chose to trade his relative anonimity for the paychecks that come along with fame. Now, he has to deal with it. I don't feel sorry for him in that respect. I wouldn't want my life splashed all over the pages of the tabloids, but for the kind of bank he's pulling in, I might be hard pressed not to do what he's done.

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It's no coincidence that magic is now being performed primarily in the ghetto.


Well, if we're talking magic for TV, it may have to do more with the reaction the specatators will give. I have noticed that the education levels of the people I perform for will dictate their response. As a general rule, both groups can be equally blown away by an effect, but a more educated audience isn't likley to respond with a bunch of jumping up and down and explitives the way we often see on TV these days. The more educated set will be left just as flabergasted, but the signs are more sublte and might not make as big an impression on a TV audience, although I know they are stunned.

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It's just entertainment and he "made it" - let's face it... He broke a few "rules" sure - as a magician I hate him but as a marketer I love him.


That's a fairly honest analysis, and has some merrit, IMO. I don't think that Criss is going to bring down the fraternity etc. I think some of his stuff is to over the top for my tastes (levitating over the Luxor) but we all talk about him and like the radio shock jokcs of the 80s, the more people talk about him, the more viewers he'll pull in. Like Howard Stern, there are people who will watch the show eventhough they dislike it, just so they can talk about the guy after the fact. In the mean time, he's laughing all the way to the bank.
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