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mitchb2
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I spent literally hours today reading all the many threads on 3 Fly.
And some heated debate that gave quite a bit of insight into magic in general.

Chris Kenner's method seemed to come up the most.

How would you rate this in terms of difficulty?
Should newbie stay away? Or is it something I should start practicing now because of how long it will take to get it down?
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Go for it, Mitch. If you can spend hours reading posts on it, you can spend hours practicing it. Attack it, perfect it, and use it. It is somewhat difficult, but consistent practice will overcome this.

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Might be easier to get a classic (closed hands) style coins across down first to have some foundation in selling a bare handed magical transportation effect to an audience.

Andrew Galloway has shared his understanding of his teacher's (John Ramsay) tricks where audience attention is key to the implied magical effect, and that was a key in designing the trick.

You can find the "work" on the basic transit in the September 2006 issue of Genii Magazine.

Of course there's nothing stopping you from jumping right into the deep end of conjuring if you so choose. Some basic slee****, the EG production taught on a recently released DVD and one basic EG based transfer would get about as clean a version of the coins across as one might want.

Guess it depends on what sort of goals you have.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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In my oppinion, I think the only two three fly routines that ever fooled me(and I'm a pretty easily fooled guy) was Kainoa Harbottle's, the mickey mouse move versions(popularized by R. Paul Wilsom, Geoff Latta, and Reed McClintock), and the shell versions of the effect. I can highly reccomend the Harbottle handling since it literally looks impossible, has great moments(fingertip muscle pass), and I constantly use it in a three part appearance, three fly, then vanish routine.
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I've been a newbie for the past 12 years and have never gotten to VCA. For no other reason than it doesn't fit my style of presentation. Consider if it is the type of magic you would like to do for an audience and if it fits in with the rest or your act.
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All I can think of is a young John Travolta smashing his face and saying "I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!!!"

Argh!
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I don't know the difficulty because I'm yet to purchase Totally Out Of Control. It's on my "I've REALLY gotta get this" list, but I know from watching performances of it, it almost looks like an eye-level CoinOne. Very smooth handling when done correctly and it all happens very fast. I like the routine.
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On 2007-06-02 20:26, mitchb2 wrote:
I spent literally hours today reading all the many threads on 3 Fly.
And some heated debate that gave quite a bit of insight into magic in general.

Chris Kenner's method seemed to come up the most.

How would you rate this in terms of difficulty?
Should newbie stay away? Or is it something I should start practicing now because of how long it will take to get it down?


The routine is not by any means easy as far as the sleight of hand involved. It's a difficult coin effect.

The VCA plot is difficult for more reasons than the sleight of hand involved, it requires absolutely perfect timing which can take longer to perfect than the work. The method is right out in the open, and depending on which method you choose, it can be exactly what the audience is expecting, which only serves to put you a step back. The only way I've ever seen it received well is when the performer can control exactly where the spectator is looking the entire time.

There have been quite a few solutions to the VCA/3 fly plot, and I suggest you study each of them carefully, not only to find which you would like to tackle and perhaps change, but to learn what each of them has to teach.
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I like that Kenner routine, and Kurtz' version is great, too.
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