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whateverisisright Regular user Savannah, Georgia 132 Posts |
In Chris Kenner's book Totally Out Of Control, there is a visual coins across routine called Menage et trois. Troy Hooser also has a coins across routine that looks VERY similar in the preview that Ellusionist has up for the DVD set (see preview here: http://www.ellusionist.com/order/combos/......%20ID%7D ).
Two questions: 1. Are they the same routine? They may be completely different methods, but Troy goes as far as moving the coin in slow motion the same way I've seen in performances of Menage et trois. 2. Anyone know which of the three DVDs that particular effect is on? And on a side note, anyone currently recommending either the Kenner book or the Hooser book any more than the other? I'm purchasing Schoolcraft coins and want some new 3 fly/other-random coin routines to work on. Thanks, J
Jimmy Smith
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Kenners is ungaffed. troys uses a uncommon gaff
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Spackle666 Loyal user 234 Posts |
Both routines are good. The differences between the two may be considered small, but there are differences.
Both books are good. I prefer Kenner's personally, but Troy's has some great handlings and subtleties in it as well. I also recommend Kainoa Harbottle's books and Curtis Kam's DVD's (that is if you already have all the standard books: bobo, roth, kaufman, etc.)
"it's bad luck to be superstitious."
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whateverisisright Regular user Savannah, Georgia 132 Posts |
Another question on that same note: I've read on more than one place that Troy uses a flipper in multiple routines. Can I perform the same effects owning the gravity-flipper instead of the traditional flipper?
Jimmy Smith
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Most in-the-hands applications of the flipper are easier with the flopper. That is why it was "invented". Look to billiard and candle magic for some background on the routined use of such gaffs.
As to the "sameness" of the routines... well they are both derived from handlings of some ideas that were underground for years earlier. You can find one of the base sources cited in Hoffmann's More Magic in the Multiplying Money section. And yes that covers both chest level and waist level approaches to the VCA. Amazing what you can find when you look.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I used a grav flipper with those routines. although a few of the moves are easier if you have a dollar sized flipper
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whateverisisright Regular user Savannah, Georgia 132 Posts |
"a few of the moves are easier if you have a dollar sized flipper"
I've got a soft morgan gravity flipper on the way, so that's good to hear.
Jimmy Smith
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Spackle666 Loyal user 234 Posts |
Jonathan Townsend is being modest. Both routines were influenced by some of his earlier underground work.
"it's bad luck to be superstitious."
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