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They tried to pass a smoking ban indoors here in North Carolina. The measure failed this past may 55-61. That is very close in a state where tobacco is a major product. Actually, I know of farmers that are paid NOT to grow tobacco anymore but that is another issue altogether. There are some cities here that are proposing their own bans. Charlotte has tried it and Asheville has talked about it I know for sure. I do know that to preform here with any live fire act, you need a fire permit. Even the buskers in Asheville need to have a permit to juggle or eat fire. The bad part is that the permit is only good for 2 weeks and must be renewed. Outside on private property is a little different. During Bele Chere, the largest street festival in the south east US, one performer got away with having a permit by working from inside a fence that surrounded a patio at a night club. That made for passing the hat a little difficult. It is best to check your local and state laws where you are preforming since they can be so different.
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Just for kicks......(by the way, I'm a non-smoker), if you've believed a'lot of the schlock we've been fed about the dangers of so-called "second-hand smoke", pick up the latest copy of Skeptic magazine....they have a 4-page article attacking a'lot of the so-called science that's being used to villify smokers. Funny how they always put out an article about the very topic I've had on my mind recently!

There is a well-structured campaign in the U.S. right now to darn-near criminalize people who smoke.......it's shameful. Smoking is not healthy, but using crappy science to underscore that is pathetic!
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One thing I noticed with cigarettes is that most times you can't do them in competitions held in hotels anymore because they ban smoking there and will fine you. I live in PA where it depends on the venue but I know New York has had a smoking ban. Also, this leads to the question what you can get away with. If cigarettes are definitely not allowed will they fine you for a smoking thumb? Tough question, I still enjoy cigarette magic but have given in to only using the moves for other objects.

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Jon,

You're absolutely correct. It's a big liability now for venues to allow any flame at all indoors.

Get this, I went to an Andrew Dice Clay comedy show and he did his act withan unkit cigarette. As anyone knows the Dice, he is known for smoking like 2 packs throughout his show. that's' when you know the laws have really changed.

Oh well Smile

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Rob is right. I uised to use fire in my show and acts a long while ago and had no problems withit. The regulations now days requiore me to be licensed and to have certain documentation. Even then most places simply do not allow it at all. No exceptions.

One thing you can do is to be creative. Take what you learned about cigerette manipulation and apply the dsame concepts and moves to an object of similar size. This is about seeing it and breaking it down to the simplest notion and then learning to use what you already know.

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Cigarettes belong to the ice age, there is nothing interesting using them today. There is sooo much other magic material out there...
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Personally, I like the idea of cigarette manipulation. Because of today's PC attitude about cigarettes, I look at it as kind of edgy. My stage character woild not fit with anything that has to do with cigarettes but I could see a charater such as a 1940s Sam Spade or lounge magician of that area doing that kind of magic.

In Shimada's lecture DVD, he explains that the smoke that the cigarettes prduce add a bit of mystery to the area around the magician plus he is doing magic with the cigarettes. He also goes on to say that he cannot stand the smoke and does not smoke.

Anyways, I am kind of an anti-PC guy.
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Kyle,

You are absolutely right. Retaining the fundamentals is important. Probably my favorite magic comes from things that people disregard or have forgotten. Does anyone know if Teller still does his cigarette routine? I haven't seen them for awhile so I can't be sure.

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Does anyone use those fake cigarettes with powder in them so you can simulate smoke from them? That way you wouldn't be breaking any law and still be doing your routine.


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Thank you Jon. I just think so many of us magicians and manipulators get stuck and locked into thinking that we can only use the standard objects of the manipulator. For example cigerette moves can only be used with cigs. To me, being creative means breaking own the barriers and opening my eyes wider to the possibilities that are before me. Who says I can not use the same moves and techniques I learned to do cig manipulation and then adapt and apply them to an object of similar shape? the only person hindering that from happening is US. Take what you know and adapt it and be creative. You can open so many doors that may have been shut for too long.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Hi guys,
anyone here remember the booklet-celebrated cigarettes?
Problem today is smoke ban in many places and as I experience it got bad looks by some people. Any thouth to this?
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Well ever since the fire in Rhode island and with other eents over te years, the fire laws have been so strict that to even use it you have to have various licenses. Some venues just decided it was not worth it at all and so they just do not allow fire or pyro at all. You can even see a change in the magic organizations as IBM and SAM have become very strict in the usage of fire or pyro in the stage shows and contests.

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