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Joshua Barrett
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Ok yesterday I did a routine for some people one of them works in the same office as me but didn;t really know him and he before hand did not know I did magic. well today he walk by my desk and we are chating and he mentions jokingly " so wheres the hollow coin, that's the only thing I could figure out how you did that." now that telles me he didn;t see anything but I am a bit shocked that the idea came across to him. what do you guys think
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Either the guy has some knowledge of coin magic or he likes to solve magic tricks.
If he was correct then he's a pretty good detective.

The only other thing I can thing of is that he may not have seen anything but your handling was somehow suspect.
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If he knew what it was-I'd think he would have called it what it really is. Did you maybe flash it?Or like Jaz said he may like to figure things out.what was the routine?
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Remember the joke with the punchline "how else"?

Or if you want to be clever about it, the "too perfect theory".

Either way if you lead someone to a workable method and leave them with that hypothesis as valid, what can you expect but for them to suspect if not believe you?

Such is one of the reasons I did not like doing the visual coins across into a fan of coins and also developed the DBC stuff ... to make sure the coins would go CLINK and not "scrape" at bad moments. Smile

This is not a caution against gaffs, just a reminder that if you set them up to believe you have a hollow coin... they will. And if you do anything that looks like you are taking something away at the end... you are pretty much confirming the belief.
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Do the trick again using sleight of hand, and let him handle the coins.
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Yes... Dan's right. Do something with sleight of hand.

Sometimes people will say you have a trick coin or trick deck when they see magic they can't explain. They may not really know, but they use logic.

When such a suspicion arrises, I try to dispel that by having them aboslutely verify the authenticity of the prop...(better yet, use something borrowed) then blow them away using sleight of hand. After that, they credit your skill to the prior effect they suspected a gaff.

The other thing is don't take fooling them too seriously. Keep the magic rolling along with lots of fun. Sooner or later they will probably stop trying to figure out how it's done...and give you credit for being entertaining and clever.
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Joshua Barrett
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I'm pretty sure the handling was good I had a friend watching and he loves ot rub it in when I screw up and he did not, he said it looked very impressive. the coins where inspected by a spec at beginning and end, so I dunno. it was triune btw I was doing
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Being entertaining is my first priority, it just really struck me to hear a total lay person come up with that. I'm pretty sure it was a stab at the dark but a close stab for sure. maybe that's the price I pay for doing magic in the data analytics department =D
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I was berated (I think by Jonathan Townsend) some time back for making the statement "gaffs will let you down". He made it clear that it was not the gaff letting me down but me not handling the gaff correctly.

That is absolutely correct.

When I use gaffs really have to practice more.....esp just before I perform. I'm not doing sleights that have become second nature, I'm handle coins that require a proper touch and handling.

I have a mortal fear of dropping a nested coin and the s---l rolling one direction and the coin the other.......not much can be salvaged from that.
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I have a friend who is very smart and analytical. She simply cannot relax and enjoy a trick; she has to figure out how it's done. Sometimes she'll call me days later and say, "I know how you did that". Then 75% of the time she'll explain the method correctly. The rest of the time she'll come up with a method that is perfectly plausible - in fact, sometimes it's better than the actual method!

There are just some people like that in the world.
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I have a friend who takes this approach. After he sees a trick, he sits back and states, with great authority,"Oh, you did .... "

He's obviously fishing for a reaction one way or the other.

When he told me that his college buddy used to do CMH and he never figured it out, I immediately learned it just to torture him.

Then when he saw Blaine do the shoelace, I immediately fried him with that.

But what really feels good is when this guy, a busy surgeon, throws me another theory a week later which shows me he is still thinking about it.
Joshua Barrett
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I think it can be taken as a compliment tho. the routine had enough impact to at the very least cause him to think about it over the next 24 hours. iv seen movies that cost millions to produce invoke less thought out of me. and I think that has to say somthing
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Yes, but when you're in awe of something fantastic from a movie, you don't sit down and start calculating exactly how they did it. That's the problem with magic that's basically presented and handled as a "puzzle presentation", strictly meant and designed to fool, and not to entertain. Usually the first problem is involved with the word "TRICK". In other words, "lemme show you a new trick", would mean, "here, I'm about to trick you and since I'm smarter than you, after I trick you, you won't know how I did it".

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What specifically does a basic lack of respect for our art and how to present it to audiences have to do with well founded concerns regarding a gimmick used so poorly as to pretty much announce its presence?
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Steve well for one, I was asked to do somthing, so the guy that brought this up, had no dialoug that said here a trick for you or anything. now does this routine itself ask for such scrutiny? maybe. there not much story and you could even do it with music. jon, I'm not sure how to take your post. I'm not sure what I ahev done to merit a lack of respect. did I present it wrong... well maybe, I did present it as per the way this routine is ment tho.
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He probably just did some searching on Google and discovered that there was such a thing as a hollow coin. He saw you do the trick then typed some key words of what he saw into Google and found it that way.
Joshua Barrett
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I don;t think so, from talking to him that was just a idea he came up with. after he mentioned the coin and I asked what he ment he said somthign like "that was the only thing I could think of that might let you do somthing like that." that makes him close yet far off. you can;t do that routine with just a shell it does in fact take somthing else to do it. and the coins are examined before and after the routine. so part of me wonders how much that part "really" does matter. do specs forget about thigns like that and focus on the dirty work? or does examination really in fact help remove the heat
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I was going after the notion of "watch this trick" as less then useful in performing for people as it diminishes our craft and dispels what we really do want to elicit in our audiences - that sense of comfort when experiencing wonder.

That's a separate issue from how to think about gaffs and use them without telegraphing their presence in performance.
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Joshua, you mentioned that you were performing Triune. I had the pleasure of seeing Justin Miller lecture just a few months ago, and my first reaction to that routine was "too perfect." It certainly wowed a room of magicians, and we applauded the creativity in the routine, but something about it was just, well, too perfect. That's the way it hit me anyway, and if it hit a magician like that, perhaps laypeople will see the same thing and have no choice but to fish for answers because of how incredibly clean it is (how clean it looks would make more sense).
Joshua Barrett
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Thanks for clearing it up for me jon. I'm dense sometimes =). this discussion in many ways is putting me more on the kainoa harbottle view on gaffs in that he will do a whole routine all slight of hand then use a gaff for a single part to make it unexplainable. I'm thinking maybe under-use is way better then over-use. I will say in my experience the gaffs work for some routines. coinOne and personal safe, both coins across iv done with out anyone being suspect of the gaff to my knowledge at least. but a lot of things happen in those routines at need slight of hand. where as the routine I did was basiclly more on the gaff dependent side
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