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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Ok guys, this has been my biggest problem when it comes to presentation with coins. other plots are pretty good for me but this one, uhg. I do CoinOne, winged silver, personal safe and a few other variations but what to say!. lets put together some ideas and see what we come up with. no more 4 coins watch them travel =D.
one thing I'm itching to try is matrix with poker chips, I think great gambling presentation with the cards repersenting players could be used, and the money changing hands, then on back fire, everyone is back to where they started! |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
1. Its for the high holiday. See they "Passover".
2. Money spent in a garage sale..(bonus produce a doll house mini garage 3. They go to a different place on the globe..(bonus they change to another country coinage..thanks to Curtis K....or end up in the globe...thanks to David R) 4. They don't travel they vanish..(thanks to ???? from Kaufman's Coin Magic) 5. Left hand does know what the right hand is doing 6. Find something out of your own interest and make it yours. Harris "palms of aluminum foil" deutsch for a lighter touch in coin magic
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Pretty funny. but let me take it a step foward here. why do we make 3 or 4 coins go across. even with Harris funny ideas, you lose motivation passed the first coin other then.. let me do it again. I'm not talking little lines but real presentation that moves the sequenses forward for a reason.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Joshua...
Please start with one or more of your ideas. Motivation can be important but not always... Sometimes I use noises to make the coins go across... Such as mosquito whistle...mouth noises or blues harp riffs. Why did the coins cross the road...nano bytessssssssssssssssss. Some folks prefer 3 as 4 is seen as unlucky.... 1. To pay the tooth fairy 2. To pay for the chicken 3. Rollin Rollin Rawhide..(produce small whip) 4. In my work with Treatment Groups....I talk about people going back out..(relapsing and spending their money...on things from cigarettes to cocaine) I also use this theme with card oil and water bits. Harris
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2007-06-11 10:37, Joshua Barrett wrote: There's a thread on this from a ways back. If you skip the ostriches who keep posting "because we can" there's some good ideas to be found.
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
For kids maybe some patter similar to 'The 3 Little Pigs' or '3 Blind Mice'.
The transporters from the movie "The Fly" comes to mind. A poem or patter about flying eagle perhaps. For a time I had the coins travel thru a magic wand. Funny you should ask this question because a recent thought was to make one of those fake phones with a piece of string and two dixie cups and have the coins travel from one cup to the other cup. Tongue in cheek patter about some new technology or impossible invention where phones transmit solids. Actually, I do it because I can. Squawwk! |
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Ahaha that's funny with the cups and string, and ill search a bit deeper jon and see what I find
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Those who don't learn from the past may wind up repeating the past as tedium or comedy.
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
When I cause 4 coins to go across, repetition is there to "prove" there's nothing suspicious going on. I repeat it 4 times so that they can see how fair it is, to make them pay more attention to what's happening since the first and -maybe- second time they did not know what to expect. By repeating it 4 times, they'll have the opportunity to really pay attention to what you're doing, and, finally, acknowledge they've witnessed something really puzzling. If you do a one-coin across, I doubt you'll accomplish anyhting special.
Repetition adds to the fairness. IMHO. I personally never tell stories about rabbits and chickens and tooth fairies... I just don't see the point. The more direct, the better. Unless you perform for children. That's just my personal point of view, based on my experience with spectators' reactions to coins across. Phedon
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Bring too much cheese to the audience and they'll bring the whine.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If you say you are using magic and don't distract them with too much bs in words or actions they will go along. Repetition can just as easily be built up by offering a repeat with the same single coin and perhaps ending with having the coin marked and ... nah that's routining not motivated presentation.
No need to "prove" as then you get into a "catch me if you can" thing and you really don't want to be cavity searched after you vanish a coin. Or do you? Okay not that folks know how to get themselves frisked and more... Here's another presentation idea: the coins stay still while the earth moves. You take out a compass, face the right direction and just for a moment permit a coin to stay still. :)
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
But if its just proving whats the real point then. what are we proving? that were more clever. I think it needs to be more theatrical then that. I want to be a entertainer, not a bringer of puzzles. I do undersatnd Phedon view point but that's not the direction I want to take it. if you know what I mean
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Phedon,
What would happen if you (in performing character) were using real magic and had every reason to expect your audience to take your word at it? Okay you used real magic. What of it? What next? Jon
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Justin Hart Loyal user Warsaw, VA 221 Posts |
To add to what Mr. Townsend said...
Why challenge them to look for a method? You're basically saying "haha, you didn't catch me the first time, now how about a second, third, or fourth time?"... IMHO, this is bad taste. Ideally, you'd want your audience on your side and I think these "catching me" games are pointless. Win over the audience with fun, entertainment, and maybe humor, not challenge. Don't get me wrong, a certain "kind of" challenge is required for plot, but not directly. It's sort of unspoken and those of you that have performed a lot know what I mean by this. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I do my own Coins Across, called "KrazyKoinz"...And it totally is about the spec and his senses and sensibilities. I use just 3 coinz and a few unorthodox moves to make this a very interactive and visual presentation. Nice little routine that amazes people routinely. Might put it out there one day...
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Ok... mb was there something about presentation or was that just a plug.. seriously... what about your routine ... is about senses and sensibilties, I don;t really care about moves, this is about presentation
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Wes65 Inner circle I've said very little in 1219 Posts |
I have used several themes around the fact that coins are no longer Silver.
"The real reason coins today are no longer silver is because silver is not a stable metal....Watch!" Wild coins routine: "People today complain about imports.....100 years ago our silver dollars were really just an imported Chinese coin covered with silver..." Coin production: "Because silver is such a soft metal, in the days when coins were silver they left their residue all over the place. In those days people became skilled in collecting silver residue off of store and bank counters and even people's hands and producing their own coins." Hanging Coins: "We all have heard the stories of the lawmen who brought order to the wild west, but few have heard the story of the man who really brought order to the wild west. He was not a lawman...he was a chemist. He developed a new silver that would loss its molecular structure under the right circumstances. This man would hire the services of his company out to bankers and the wealthy. He would apply the correct amount of pressure to a silver coin, break down its molecular structure, make it invisible and hide it or even hang it in the air.....safe from thieves." You get the idea.
Wes
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
I never challenge anyone, I never have a "catch-me-if-you-can" attitude when performing. I think it's all in the demeanor, in the performer's attitude. You can do a very direct trick without talking about elves and trolls and NOT being challenging. You just offer them to watch the magic, in a very humble way, sharing their excitement, laughing with them.
Jon-> if I used real magic, presentation in the LAST thing I would care about. Real magic needs no patter. You do it because you can. That's my perception of magic. But people are different, so... Now I understand that Joshua cares about presentation, and I fully respect it. I am the least qualified person to ask about presentation for a coins across, but I would think about a plot a la Coins to Pocket (I think it's called like that in Bobo's), where coins are so used to being together they can't stay away from each other too long. Dan (Watkins) does a good job with that, using also a Muscle Pass to "prove" this when the coin visually jumps from right to left open hand to join the other coins. I sometimes have fun with Sankey's Invisible Sleeves, pretending I'm tossing the coins in my sleeves to make them travel. Anyway, I just wanted to make clear that DIRECT doesn't necessarily mean CHALLENGING. Phedon
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Mike.Shots Regular user Terrell 199 Posts |
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On 2007-06-11 14:54, Mb217 wrote: Translation: It'll be on Vinnymarini.com in a month. I think that coins across can certainly look very magical, but making coins go from your left hand to your right hand just seems like a rather trite effect. If you could really do magic, is that what you would do? If you do choose to go the "because I can" route, I think you're much better off with three coins. The first coin can be rather surprising, and provided you fool your audience they will almost certainly demand to see it again. The second is done to fulfill a request, and provided the third follows relatively close to the second, you have a rather short and sweet coins across. I find that four is just too repetitive. |
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I would agree execpt I think 4th coin to specs hand fly's cause it should seem beyond possibiable, even after 3 traveling
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