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Hi
I've just bought LJ's Telling Tales

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=30

It has a short but very interesting essay about Magicians building Myths and Legends
about themselves and mentions Jimmy Grippo
The premise for the two effects is about this legend building type of effect
I find this type of approach very interesting
I searched Google and the Café for anything about Jimmy but the only stuff I could find is this
"This is only my opinion but there is little theatrical value in producing large numbers of coins. Maybe you can explain the reason to me. What does it give your spectators? What does it leave them with? Do you, Like Jimmy Grippo leave the coins on the table when you're done? That has impact. You are giving them something you apparently created from nothing."

Here is an other good link
http://www.ring2100.org/jimmy.html

this is all Jimmy, and, although he was a Magician, the last link mentions some Mental effects that he did
Does anybody know of any books that deal with building myths and legends particularly
ones for Mentalism or Readings?
Books, links or good effects?
Cheers
TJ
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Yep, the Mind and Magic of David Berglas. He was a master of publicity stunts and one-time insane impact effects - earing him the international man of mystery rep before Austin Powers Smile

Also, picking up books on how to make things look impromptu (even if it does involve a ton of set-up) and presentation skills in general would all do this.

Lastly, a classic source of real consideration of myth building is the SHEIL'S EFFECT and his follow up book the CANTRIP CODEX. Here he talks about the importance of building a character and how to gain publicity....

I'm sure there are more sources...
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Paul Alberstat's Can You Keep A Secret?
“You are what you pretend to be.”
Tony Iacoviello
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Alexander's Dr. Q book, and as previously mentione, the Sheil's Effect (along with the Sheil's lecture DVD).
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'Absolute Magic' by Derren Brown offers some good insight and points of view to building character and so on.

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John Riggs, The Messiah Process.

The Man Who Shall Not Be Named also put out his version of the Sheils Effect and Messiah Process. But it does not appear to be available on his site (not that it or he can be referenced here anyway)
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Dr S
Nice breakdown of the topic and lots of good input
As I was thinking about this I was thinking that seemingly impromptu and propless
was the way to go. You mention "picking up books on how to make things look impromptu (even if it does involve a ton of set-up)". Do you know any book or DVD that deals with this aspect of Mentalism as the main topic?
My links mention
Jimmy Grippo leaving coins for the specs to take
Dunninger's strong eye contact and cold hands
Your item, Shiels Effect, has his poker bending effect
The Berglas book is a bit expensive for me at present
Any more with any more?
:)
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Going back to Jimmy Grippo.
Here is the link again:
http://www.ring2100.org/jimmy.html
Obviously he was a Legend, but HOW did he do it?
He mixed mental effects and CARDS (so does Max, another legendary figure)
and hypnosis. He did effects that he wasn't getting paid for
Those are two rules that are laid down all the time here at the Café.
No cards and always get paid for 'shows'
Those are two rules that he broke
He was a Maximus type figure (Another resource book for this thread by Al Mann)
Does anybody know any more Jimmy stories?
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On 2007-06-19 11:49, Tony Iacoviello wrote:

The Man Who Shall Not Be Named also put out his version of the Sheils Effect and Messiah Process. But it does not appear to be available on his site (not that it or he can be referenced here anyway)


Tony
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I know it's not M..k L...s
Perhaps J.......n R...e?
How many points out of ten would you give these unmentionable items?
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I thought he meant S- F-. But now I'm just perplexed and want to know!!
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It is :
Scott X*****, aka Dr. Z****, aka Voldemort (he who shall not be named).
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Hi Tony
Thanks for the help:
"The Sheils Effect and the Messiah book are musts haves."
Of course they are, I have both
You recommend the Dr Q book above and on a previous occasion
I have ordered it from Amazon used
This thread has been a good resource for material but I would also like to see some personal anecdotes from people who knew and experienced these people
Stuff about bits of business that they did, if you know what I mean
Cheers
TJ
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TeeJay

Just make sure you get the Alexander Dr. Q book, and not the Dr. Q hynosis act (differnt beast, different person)

Tony
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On 2007-06-20 11:56, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
TeeJay
Just make sure you get the Alexander Dr. Q book, and not the Dr. Q hypnosis act (differnt beast, different person)
Tony


Hi Tony
The one that I am getting is:
The Life and Mysteries of the Celebrated Dr. Q [Paperback] by Alexander, C.
If anybody is looking for it (the original Alexander book), be sure to paste that full title in because
Google and Amazon both favour the other book with a very similar title but different author)
I have the big McGill book with the Dr. Q hypnosis act in it?
Is this the one you mention above:
"not the Dr. Q hypnosis act (different beast, different person)"?
TJ
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Amazing. When I first started studying Mentalism, I searched for years and finally found a copy of the Dr. Q book and paid dearly for it. I had a real sense of having found a hidden treasure, and prized the book very much.

Now you just hit the Amazon button and all is revealed.

- entity
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Entity

I know exactly how you feel.

Tony
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Yes....Yes its crazy these days...I remember having to learn 1 on 1 with my father and grandad.. now they can buy dvd's.... amazon..etc... they even have these public chat forums that even PRO's go on and.... wait a minute!
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On 2007-06-21 09:37, entity wrote:
Amazing. When I first started studying Mentalism, I searched for years and finally found a copy of the Dr. Q book and paid dearly for it. I had a real sense of having found a hidden treasure, and prized the book very much.
Now you just hit the Amazon button and all is revealed.
- entity


Swimming is hard, surfing is easy (Pun intended)
We've all done it (Don't mention Al Mann stuff to me <they are selling it on Lybrary now>)
Old Grafter's saying: Lessons cost money (lessons in life, not lessons in magic)
We also have bought stuff that was either a rip off or useless for our needs or just not worth the money
Technology in the form of the Magic Café has really saved money in this area for me
Remember, in the good old days, they didn't have the Magic Café
Don't weaken, stay at the front of the wave lol
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On 2007-06-21 09:37, entity wrote:
Amazing. When I first started studying Mentalism, I searched for years and finally found a copy of the Dr. Q book and paid dearly for it. I had a real sense of having found a hidden treasure, and prized the book very much.
Now you just hit the Amazon button and all is revealed.
- entity


Swimming is hard, surfing is easy (Pun intended)
We've all done it (Don't mention Al Mann stuff to me <they are selling it on Lybrary now>)
Old Grafter's saying: Lessons cost money (lessons in life, not lessons in magic)
We also have bought stuff that was either a rip off or useless for our needs or just not worth the money
Technology in the form of the Magic Café has really saved money in this area for me
Remember, in the good old days, they didn't have the Magic Café
Don't weaken, stay at the edge of the wave lol
TJ
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Perhaps there are a lot of things now available, but where are all of the LEGENDS. Not many seem to be applying this information successfully(sp)... Smile
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