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ted french Inner circle Columbus Ohio 1946 Posts |
Explain real magic.
Posted: Jun 20, 2007 8:35pm ) BTW its a real question and not a question of their abilities, but you obviously have something in mind.
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
Maybe he meant reel magic
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
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On 2007-06-20 18:30, Slim King wrote: That’s odd because from what I read on Mr. Callahan’s site, I didn’t see any offer at all to have his alleged abilities tested under conditions that eliminate trickery. I did see an offer to take a lie detector test - which is worthless. I’ve offered an extremely fair test for Jim’s supposed remote viewing ability several times and he runs from it like the building is on fire. I even offered for him to keep his money - which I neither want nor need, nor am I impressed with. Just watch this thread. Jim will come back with any number of comments but he will NOT agree to be tested. Jim can talk about his $25,000 until he’s blue in the face, blah, blah, but there’s a very high probability that Jim will NEVER even attempt to demonstrate these alleged abilities under conditions that eliminate trickery. There can be only one reason why Jim avoids a legitimate test - he knows full well he doesn’t possess the abilities he claims. Holly
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Sure I'll be tested.
The rules are on my site at http://www.JimClass.Com the link is halfway down the page. J ack H.O.A-X
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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Virungan Inner circle Here and There 1156 Posts |
My Spellcheck says there's no such thing as Magick...
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth...
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Waldo Veteran user 357 Posts |
Jim, this challenge you do is very good. I liked the video clip, but I am not so impressed with your powers. I am also very good at guessing names & this sort of thing, and honestly your book test looked like a trick. What is the extent of your powers? Can you move things with your mind even? I have been trying to learn to do that myself. I think what is happening is that you are opening the gateway between dreams & reality. Ultimately I am trying to escape, and live in immortality and dreams forever. I'm very good at lucid dreaming, and have trained myself to have them really every night. I have some very fantastic unusual dreams, and very strange alien worlds. I just can't seem to bring them back out to this world with me.
What is your secret Mr. Callahan? |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
My guess: Gin Waldo, lots of Gin.
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Waldo Veteran user 357 Posts |
Hahaha.
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
Tony is not lieing Waldo. no joke there.
Harry H and Holly. You two are funny. Thanks for the good times. |
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
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On 2007-06-21 08:45, Jim-Callahan wrote: Jim, if you’re referring to your Randi protocols, we’ve already been through that. You basically want anyone who tests you to provide you with PR and that’s ridiculous. I’m not your press agent. And that has nothing to do with your claims. You’ve arranged - quite calculatedly it seems - to make your protocols something that anyone testing you would have to slightly amend while making it clear you are unwilling to do so. I’m willing to accept most of the protocols you have but as they are, they’re not good enough for a scientific test. For one, you say you can either name or DESCRIBE the object. That leaves an enormous void. You’ll have to be much more specific about what constitutes a correct naming of the object. If you say the object is a black rectangle, for example, that description could fit hundreds of objects. If the object turned out to be a black cover Bible, that would NOT be a hit, though I suspect you would claim it as such. I realize that you don’t know the name of every object on Earth but your description would have to have an acceptable degree of specificity. You can’t just say it’s a black rectangle. This is something we would need to clarify but all you can respond with are blunt statements like, “It’s my test,” “My protocols are scientific,” and other similar statements. That’s not good enough. I offered protocols that were fair, eliminated trickery, and allowed you to perform any ritual you want. I’m willing to accept a description if we can agree on the degree of specificity. I’m willing to stand in your circle of salt with the copper tubing around me. I would prefer to SIT but if you require me to stand, I’ll do so. I’m willing to meet your ritualistic requirements - the ones under which you claim you need to perform. But you won’t accept that. You want your tester to provide you with PR. You want them to arrange your show for you. You want them to put in thousands of dollars of time, work, and effort just to get you a lot of PR. I’ve already seen that you are FAR from serious about being tested. If you are ever serious, I’d like to test your claims. If you don’t want to, that’s fine. But you really need to stop going around claiming you have outlandish abilities when you’re not serious about having them tested. My protocols are very simple and allot for you to do any ritual you need to perform. They are as follows: 1. It will be prearranged for me to come to one of your shows - one that includes members of the public and not just your personal friends. 2. I’ll arrive at your show with a locked safe that requires both a key and a combination to open. Inside the safe will be a single object inside a standard bubble mailing envelope and the envelope will be taped to the bottom of the safe to prevent mobility. 3. Upon arrival, I will relinquish the safe key to an impartial third party - an audience member. Only I will know the combination. 4. I will require the proceedings to be videotaped. Someone will man the video camera at all times. Other than that, either myself or anyone with me will be available to participate in any of your required rituals. As I understand, you require that I personally do not participate but stand in a circle of salt. I’m willing to do that but you must understand that I may have only one other person with me who will have to man the camera. If you come to the Portland area, I’ve been authorized a film crew to cover the event but I work for a local station and I’ve not been given authorization to do anything outside my viewing area. In other words, If I have to come to you, it would be at my own expense and I’m not allowed a crew. Therefore, it would probably just be me and someone to film it. If you feel you need to cultivate a “spirit of cooperation,” as I said, I personally would be willing to participate in some of your effects. 5. Once you name the object - or describe it according to agreed upon specificity - I will relinquish the combination to the impartial third party and he can open the safe and reveal the object. You must be right or wrong. The outcome CANNOT be a matter of judgment or opinion. Jim, other than the aforementioned protocols - in some cases constrictions - you can perform whatever ritualistic activities you feel you need to achieve your goal. This should more than satisfy the conditions you claim you need to perform. Quote:
On 2007-06-21 10:34, Waldo wrote: Bingo, Waldo! It IS a trick. Waldo, Jim’s “secret” is that the human species is prone to wishful thinking. The secret - that psychics use when cold reading - is that people are all very much alike but also have a profound sense of being different. People are self absorbed and cannot look at themselves objectively despite being able to do so with others. This is why a mentalist can “read” someone’s mind with general information and make the person feel the reading pertains to them only. The only “power” Jim has is taking advantage of people with a predisposition toward believing his abilities really exist. Quote:
On 2007-06-21 10:34, Waldo wrote: Waldo, I’ve been into lucid dreaming for years and I’m very good at it as well. But it’s nothing more than dreams - images, symbols, and allegories for what’s going on in your mind and your life. When you get to a certain level, you will realize that you are the one conjuring this imagery. One day you’ll see that even the alien is you. Waldo, I know it’s a crummy world but you’ll have to tough it out. You’re not going to get rescued by dreams or any supernatural means. Lucid dreaming helped me stop nightmares I’d had since childhood. It saved me from that and I’m thankful. But it’s a technique, not a superpower. Reality didn’t get the reputation of being cold and hard because it gives in easily to people’s wishful thinking. It’s going to take a lot more than a Matrix mentality to shake reality from its perch. Holly
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
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On 2007-06-21 14:03, HollyMental wrote: Man that is depressing. Glad I don't walk around thinking that all day. Not that I believe in a "matrix" kind of thing, but you get what I am saying. |
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
Holly,
Why don't you attempt a hit on old Santa Clause while you're at it? It's such a bummer to read your posts . . . not because of the content or your thinking, but from the apparent TOTAL lack of magic and wonder in your life. I could be wrong. Perhaps your life is filled with mystery and wonder, but after reading your posts, I just feel empty. Let the people who want to believe, believe. Where's Waldo??? If you are looking for some grimoires to get you started, there are many widely available. I would recommend the Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon (The Goetia and Lemegeton), "The Book of the Sacred Magic" (my personal favorite) and "Aradia, The Gospel of the Witches". For real, hands on work . . . there are many good books there as well. I would recommend "Circles of Power" by John Michael Greer (I believe?), "Summoning Spirits" by Konstantinos and "Modern Magick" by Donald Michael Kraig. These last three books will give you the practical knowledge to begin working with the operations and rituals of the old, fabricated grimoires. I'm still a bizarrist and this is still my work. I don't wish to get into debates about theory or practice, religion, spirituality, the effectiveness of these techniques, etc. When you are ready, there are many advanced books I can point you towards. Best, J.
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
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On 2007-06-21 15:10, TT2 wrote: TT2, There’s a great deal of mystery and wonder in the universe without making up things to fill voids in knowledge. Just because we don’t know everything doesn’t mean we should just fantasize our own reality. The mystery and wonder of the universe was around long before anyone concocted religions or psychic phenomena to fill voids and it’s going to be around long after people grow up and dismiss such things. Walking around in a delusional state may make you feel better about yourself but it’s counterproductive to the progress of our species. A child will be safer if you never let him out of the house but he’ll miss out on the journey of life - the search for what’s out there. To me, your life is very sad. From my standpoint, you don’t care about the real answers to life mysteries. You just want to walk around in a daydream while the real mystery and wonder escapes you because you don’t want to deal with reality. Keeping life’s mysteries indefinitely means staying ignorant to the real answers and I’m not prepared to do that. My inquisitive nature won’t allow me to be satisfied with contrived answers. We, as a species, have a rare opportunity to have the presence of mind - and the growing capability - to discover the answers to life’s mysteries. Throwing that away to hold on to childish fantasies is a tragedy. In jest, you mentioned Santa Clause. I know you were joking but what a wonderful example of what I’m talking about. If you would allow your children to indefinitely believe Santa Clause was real, that would be very sad. A child has to let go of such foolish notions because the truth ultimately supersedes fantasy. So should it be with adults. Just as children have to eventually be told there’s no Santa Clause, adults have to realize there is no substantial evidence for psychic phenomena - or any deities for that matter. The real tragedy here is that you think there’s no mystery or wonder in life without the paranormal baggage you carry around. The mystery in my life is the same as yours. The difference is that I’m drawn to the real mystery while you’re drawn to fabricated ones. Holly
The devil can advocate for himself.
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
Now, now, Holly. You're acting like a thug, AGAIN. This time it's true, and it's me saying it. Let there be no confusion here.
As someone who knows nothing about me, I take your comments with less than a grain of salt. Remarks like, "delusional" and "paranormal badge", etc. are hysterical. Your true ignorance and willingness to speak about yet another topic or person YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT shines through perfectly. My life is far from sad, in fact, it's the most brilliant it has ever been, and thanks for caring Also, this is not thanks to my paranormal badge, however it is pretty . . . I can get you one if you want. To say I'm drawn to the fabricated mysteries is also nonsense. I'm a very down to earth guy in spite of it all. Like most skeptics, it seems you are drawn to mentalism in order to prove the non-magical, non-mystical nature of the Universe; so be it. Talking to you is pointless, as it has been in the past. You have little to nothing to offer except for your own absurd take on reality. Again, I wish I had it ALL figured out like you do. What a joy that would be! Go well, Jerome.
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
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On 2007-06-21 16:17, TT2 wrote: So you can say what you want about me and that's okay but if I turn the tables on you, then I’m a thug? As usual, you have no substance to your argument so all you can do is attack. You are truly sad. Let there be no confusion about that. Quote:
On 2007-06-21 16:17, TT2 wrote: This is an old and transparent strategy. You’re attributing something to me that I did NOT say and then attacking the non issue. I never said I had it all figured out. In fact, if you’ll calm down and reread my post correctly, you’ll see that nothing could be further from the truth. I said the exact opposite of what you attribute. You’re making things up - AGAIN. Only this time, you’re just doing it because you lack any real argument. Holly
The devil can advocate for himself.
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Smoking Camel Inner circle UK 1039 Posts |
Whats the point?
I no longer smoke camel cigarettes.
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
Holly,
Let me put this in very plain and simple terms that I am sure you can understand. I never called you delusional or any such thing, it is you who chooses to call names . . . You have a real tendency to take shots and jabs at others, and then to cry "victim" when the tables are turned. I personally don't care what you have to say about me, Holly the screen-name. That aside, I think you could have some very real problems. In my eyes, you are no better than a racist. Attacking others for being different, always seeking disharmony and seperation. Where in my post that you quoted was there an attack? It seems that you are rather delusional yourself. Also, to imply that anyone who believes in either religion or psychic phenomena is "infantile" (needs to grow up, as you put it) is ignorant, disharmonious and intolerant of others views and beliefs. This is a website dedicated to sharing ideas and thoughts outside the norm and dedicated to magic. Save your BS for other sites and other people. This type of hardline intolerance is not welcome or appreciated. You clearly believe half the people on this forum are fools, and again, you are no better than a class "A" racist, in my eyes. I assure you, I am very calm right now. Dang! Now if I could just get my transparent strategies to work . . . oh well. Thug life, Jerome.
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
WOW.
Alright Holly I had to read this twice to make sure I was understanding you correctly. I think I am. Here is your quote from above. "The mystery and wonder of the universe was around long before anyone concocted religions or psychic phenomena to fill voids and it’s going to be around long after people grow up and dismiss such things" Glad to know we just need to grow up and we can get rid of all this silly religion stuff. lol. That statement is pathetic and you do come across just as Jerome desribes. |
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
I find fascinating the immediate and powerful defensiveness of believers toward anyone who would question their beliefs. Please allow me to demonstrate their peculiar defensiveness with a little dialogue.
Here is a conversation similar to what many people may experience during their lifetime: Holly and her co-worker Robert are at the office. Holly: Hi Robert. Robert: Hi Holly. Holly: So what’s new with you? Robert: Well, have you heard? I bought a Lamborghini? Holly: Wow! No, I hadn’t heard that. May I see it? Robert (jokingly): Why? Don’t you believe me? Holly: Yes. It’s just that I’ve never seen one. Robert: Well, as a matter of fact, I’m having a get together this weekend and I was meaning to invite you. Would you like to come? You can see it then. Holly: Yes. Thank you Robert. That sounds nice. Now, here’s the same conversation - only with Robert as a believer and the Lamborghini in place of paranormal abilities. Holly and her co-worker Robert are at the office. Holly: Hi Robert. Robert: Hi Holly. Holly: So what’s new with you? Robert: Well, have you heard? I bought a Lamborghini? Holly: Wow! No, I hadn’t heard that. May I see it? Robert (defensively): Why? Don’t you believe me? Holly: Yes. It’s just that I’ve never seen one. Robert: Well, maybe you’ve never seen one because you don’t believe or have faith they exist. Maybe you’re just a closed minded bigot. Holly: No, I’ve never seen one because they’re very rare and… Robert: Look, Holly. I’m not going to show you my Lamborghini because it stays in the garage and I’m not here just to show you my Lamborghini whenever you feel like it! Holly: Hey look Robert. I’m sorry. You mentioned you had a Lamborghini. I thought the fact that you wanted me to know might mean you’d want me to see it. I’d really like to see it because I’ve never seen one. Robert: That’s because you’re a narrow minded thug, Holly! You’re a Lamborghini bigot who thinks anyone who can’t just show you his Lamborghini is lying. I have a Lamborghini and I could prove it if I wanted to but I don’t feel like it. And if I did, I wouldn’t show you because you’re a narrow minded b**ch who hates people who own Lamborghinis. Holly: No, it’s not like that, Robert…. Robert: Holly, you’re a very sad empty woman who wants to destroy all the mystery and wonder of the Lamborghini. Holly. No. I just wanted to see one… Robert: Holly, you obviously hate children and bunny rabbits and want the devil to defeat God in the ultimate battle between good and evil!!!! Obviously, you want fear and havoc to reign supreme in a nightmarish world where children and bunny rabbits are tortured!!!! You’re evil!!!!!……. Ant the beat goes on……. Holly
The devil can advocate for himself.
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
You're really clever. Please don't reproduce.
-J.
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