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A couple of pet peeves of mine lately during the performance of street magic happen to be: The use of cell phones to talk or text during my performance & The idea that somehow it might be appropriate to talk about how they think a trick is done while I’m doing it. Both of these things are increasingly annoying.

Tonight I handled one situation properly and another not. A guy in the front row, gets a call and starts yaking while he’s watching me. I calmly whispered to him and pointed away from my audience and asked him politely to take his call over there. He did and the show went on.

The other incident was during my ring routine. I’m trying to create good art, combining magic with poetry and this lady is talking in her husbands ear about how the rings all have spring loaded trap doors. I try and ignore it but she persists pointing to this hand or that. I finally say. “Lady, I’m 3 feet away from you, do you mind waiting until after the show to talk to your husband about how you think it’s done? For the love of God woman, I’m trying to do a show here. Can I get a verbal agreement from you that you’ll just let me finish my trick without distraction?” Someone behind her yelled out “No!” and I said “Folks that’s the end, If you liked the show. . . let my hat know”, followed up by some more pitch tag lines.

I don’t know what’s going on with me, but I’m becoming much less tolerant of rudeness during my performance. I’m feel like it’s part of my job to educate the masses, as to what proper behavior is for a street show. Tricky goal to accomplish without sounding like a dick.

Guess we’ll just have to see.

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Hi Tom, I too have tried to educate the masses and used to make sound poitical comentary and all sorts.Ive berated the audience wholesale and had great satisfaction canning a few stating quite loudly that 'you guys' just don't deserve me...youre not worth it...'we have all of the power...I reckon lke a lot of 'jobs' we get peed off sometimes...Your good nature will shine through and you will win the day.
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Sometimes it's difficult to bite your tongue and keep going. And sometimes it feels so good to just let it fly.

The last day I performed at the Texas Renaissance Festival, someone taped one of my shows. I was just starting into the Indian Basket, when a kid in the front row started mouthing at me.

I looked at him and said, "I've worked here for 26 years, and I've never done what I'm about to do. Today, it's not a problem. What are they going to do ... fire me?....SHUT UP!!!!"

The audience laughed and roared. And the kid shut up. And I got a lot of money in my hat that show.

Best of all, I've got it on tape!

It felt soooooo good!
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Tom, it's not a problem limited to or specific to street magic. I perform in libraries and parents are notorious for this. They move to the back and talk like little birds. Like they're the only ones in the room. There's not much you can do about it.

What you could do is, at the start of the performance, have them raise their hands and take an oath about not using cell phones etc. Make it funny. This may disrupt the flow of the show but if you can incorporate it into the show it will work.

Good luck, 'cause people are becoming more rude in our "it's all about me" society.

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I like to take the approach that I'll heckl you if you heckl me..(it's all fun and games right)? Truth of the matter is that it really bummes me out when people act like they don't care what your doing but want to stand there so their kids can see. Biggest pains in the butt: disinterested parents on cell phones,religious nuts,and #1 pain in the butt GRABBERS of items on my table. I guess sometimes the only thing one can do is EDUCATE them as you all were saying.
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The rudest kid I ever met went like this:

I was booked in to a street fest in Florida.

I was wrapped in chains, struggling, escaping. It's timed, it's quiet, and the audience is too, watching carefully.

This teen, maybe 13 years old, sitting front row center, flicked a quarter dead center into the middle of my circle. TWING....clang, clang, clang, stop.

He then stands up and s.l.o.w.l.y walks to where the quarter landed, picks it up, and returns to his seat.

After waiting maybe 30 seconds he does it again. Exactly.

And again.....

And again.....

Four times.

After number 2 I had positioned myself close to him and quietly and politely asked him to stop. Only the 10 people closest to him ever heard what I said, but I'm sure the meaning was obvious to the crowd. Still, I was trying very hard no to embarrass the kid. At least not then.

After he picked up the 4th quarter, I quietly shadowed him, and just as he was turning back my way to settle into his sitting position, I nudged him with my knee behind one of his knees. This kind of dumped him on his a**, but from only 18 inches or so.

I finally had his attention.

I flatly told him to stop. To let me finish my show. Then I looked around at the crowd and asked if it was okay to finish, and got a very nice round of applause; they were with me; they approved.

I never heard a negative word about the incident, ever.

But what a stinker of a kid!
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On 2007-06-22 04:36, Bill Palmer wrote:
Sometimes it's difficult to bite your tongue and keep going. And sometimes it feels so good to just let it fly.

The last day I performed at the Texas Renaissance Festival, someone taped one of my shows. I was just starting into the Indian Basket, when a kid in the front row started mouthing at me.

I looked at him and said, "I've worked here for 26 years, and I've never done what I'm about to do. Today, it's not a problem. What are they going to do ... fire me?....SHUT UP!!!!"

The audience laughed and roared. And the kid shut up. And I got a lot of money in my hat that show.

Best of all, I've got it on tape!

It felt soooooo good!


I don't suppose you could post that on YouTube?

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So I'm working a festival this weekend and one of the vendors was selling those PVC marshmellow guns,,,,the kids were running around the festival shooting people and I was a target...well one of those little ****s came up and shot me right in my eye.....right in the middle of the show....so I took and chased the 13 year punk down......grabbed him by the neck and started going to the police....the kids crying...I"M SORRY , I"M SORRY

so I let him go and told him not to come back....so whats the little **** do...he goes and tells his dad I grabbed him, the dad tells the mom and the mom tells the cops!@! !@@#@!@$%%^^8 get the idea...so the cops come and see me and start talking about ME assalting the punk ass 13 year old kid! the cops didn't want to give me a ticket and spent an hour trying to talk the my son is perfect parents to not charge me with anything.....the father relented but the mother...NO ONES GONNA TOUCH MY SON...even though my eye could have been hangin out of my socket ....so I ended up getting a ticket for harrasment! it will be in the papers tomorrow...i do one festival close to my house and this is the one...

I hate kids ****in hate them...little ***s....


so tomrrow I'm going to see my brother in law whos a lawyer...and then I'm going to the eye doctor for the blurryness that's in my eye...he will send me to a specialist and that will cost thousands...the kid admitted he did this to me so they will lose in court and I'm gonna sue those *** parents who think that a kid should be able to do what ever he wants...REDICULOUS!
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Dang Ted...sounds like Murphey showed up on you (in the form of a 13 year old). Hope you get that one straightend out. That's just classic that it had to be the fest in your own town. Sorry man
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Who said magic was all fun and games?

Interesting discussion. I've been thinking about how to use NLP to solve some of the issues.
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Tom, I am sure you have heard this one but if not...

"Excuse me. Please try not to interrupt me during my show and I won't show up while your trying to flip the burgers, ok?"

Sometimes really rude specs are a pain in the keester...
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I wouldn't say this but I still like it...

"Don't tell me how to do my job, I don't come to your work and tell you how to sweep up". Billy Connolly.

A bit like SaeDawg's but not quite.

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On 2007-06-22 10:13, johncesta wrote:

Tom, it's not a problem limited to or specific to street magic. I perform in libraries and parents are notorious for this. They move to the back and talk like little birds. Like they're the only ones in the room. There's not much you can do about it.

What you could do is, at the start of the performance, have them raise their hands and take an oath about not using cell phones etc. Make it funny. This may disrupt the flow of the show but if you can incorporate it into the show it will work.

Good luck, 'cause people are becoming more rude in our "it's all about me" society.

J


I had similair problems the first two or three times I did a birthday show, the parents stood at the back, and talked tyo eachother.

I made it a goal of my act to involve the parents, throwing in the occasional joke that only they'd appreciate, and doing tricks that appealed to both the very young, and their parents. It tresulted in less talking in the back, and most importantly, more business for me!
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Tom, I am sure you have heard this one but if not...

"Excuse me. Please try not to interrupt me during my show and I won't show up while your trying to flip the burgers, ok?"

Sometimes really rude specs are a pain in the keester...


I once heard, "I don't go into the greyhound bathroom and interrupt your business do I?" The words were a bit more colorful, but you get the idea.

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Once heard, "I don't go into the greyhound bathroom and interrupt your business do I?" The words were a bit more colorful, but you get the idea.

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AHH MAN..that's the best one yet!
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Sometimes it's difficult to bite your tongue and keep going. And sometimes it feels so good to just let it fly.

The last day I performed at the Texas Renaissance Festival, someone taped one of my shows. I was just starting into the Indian Basket, when a kid in the front row started mouthing at me.

I looked at him and said, "I've worked here for 26 years, and I've never done what I'm about to do. Today, it's not a problem. What are they going to do ... fire me?....SHUT UP!!!!"

The audience laughed and roared. And the kid shut up. And I got a lot of money in my hat that show.

Best of all, I've got it on tape!

It felt soooooo good!


I don't suppose you could post that on YouTube?

:)


Nope. I refuse to put anything on YouTube.
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Regarding the behavior of adults during kid shows -- the late Edwin Hooper of Supreme Magic had a wonderful way of handling the noisy adults. He would instruct the kids "on the count of three, I want all of you to turn and face the people behind us who are talking and shout 'Grownups, please be quiet!' One, Two, Three"

The children took villain delight in doing this. The adults usually shut up.

Another way of handling this is to say to the offender "I'll bet you used to watch Get Smart. Right? Well, they had a thing called the cone of silence that they could put over themselves and nobody else could hear them. I don't have one of those. So could you please take your conversation over to where that juggler is?"

Or

"Come up here and share your cell phone call with all of us. I'll repeat eveything I hear so everyone can either enjoy it or be p---ed off at you."

Or

"Paris!!!! Paris Hilton!!!! I thought you were in jail! I loved your movie. I downloaded it and burned several copies. Want one?"
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On 2007-06-22 12:26, Tom Frank wrote:
Who said magic was all fun and games?


yeah..it's all fun and games until someone gets an eye poked out..lol
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The idea here is not to deal with these peaople as hecklers (trust me I can be as crass an rude as the next performer). What I want to do is find ways that solve the problem without increasing the tension.

I know there is a way
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I have a Concealed Handgun License. Smile

Seriously, sometimes the solution to a problem is a heckle stopper. I won't go so far as to say that it is the first solution I would try. But when someone has decided to zone out in the middle of your show and have a cell phone conversation, the best solution is to make them the center of attention.

The use of cell phones in public is one of my hot buttons. I have a cell phone, but I try to get away from other people when I'm using it. I've had people stand behind me and shout into their cell phones while I'm trying to do business at the pharmacy or the post office. I politely ask them to quiet down or to move away until I get through with the conversation I'm having with the pharmacist or postal clerk. You would think cell phones were voice powered!

I have even bigger problems with people who think their apparent encyclopedic knowledge of magic needs to be shared with a group. That's when being large helps. Billy McComb used to tell them, "Hey. It's a trick. If it were real magic, I wouldn't be standing here in front of you doing it, would I? Any idiot could figure this out."

Or you can just ignore them until the crowd lynches them.
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