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LiquidSn
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Hey, anyone here hardcore about coin magic? by that I mean by using no gimmicks at all. if a trick involves 3 coins. you just use 3 coins. period.

I used to use shells and other things, but after watching palms of steel 2, I am a believer that using the coins neccessary is all you need!

Especially the repeat coins from nostril on the video, and the use of the mutobe palm! awesome stuff!


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Kainoa
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Hi Tony....there are a few of us, but coin magic has and always will have a gimmicky side to it that is sometimes quite nice (Mmmmm....copper/silver coin...mmmm). If you do a search on coins and purist you might find a few threads on this subject, as it's come up.

My rule is that its all about maximum effect according to venue. I work for drunk college students who occasionally tackle me, which makes me nervous about my flipper coin suddenly taking someone's eye out. Because I can go for awhile with nothing but four half dollars and maybe a chinese coin, I'm quite content to consider myself a "purist," though I do think playing with gaffs as little as I have has stunted my growth (magically, not physically....though you never know).
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Thanks for the reply kainoa.

I agree with you a lot. I just remember a year ago, when all I could think about is getting a shell and flipper, and I must have it.. But now seeing some great stuff on POS2, I'm thinking other wize.

btw, anyone know a good c/s routine that doesn't use a c/s coin? wonder if its really good, probelly uses lots of underhanded stuff...

Tony Smile

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Tony, David Roth teaches a really excellent "purist" c/s routine with ungaffed coins on one of his "Expert Coin Magic" tapes. The spectator is given the choice of which coin you get, and therefore seems to be more involved in the final outcome than in other routines.

I share Kainoa's concern for suddenly being tackled and strip searched by the audience, (maybe we should just learn to be nicer?) and therefore use gimmicks only if the effect cannot be done any other way, and I can't do without the effect.

The advantages of this have been listed elsewhere, suffice it to say that shells dent, rubberbands break, glue becomes unglued, springs fail over time, flaps snag and magnets can be fickle. Sleight of hand with a consistent set of coins is more reliable, more versatile, resets faster, and real skill cannot be purchased and exposed by some hack. These are practical, professional concerns. Add to that the personal satisfaction, and you've got every reason to be a purist.

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Yea I'am A Purist I Like to do Stuff that looks
like pure magic! And sometimes Sleight- gaff combo Stuff is what does!

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Whilst I've bought the odd gimmick (folding coin, cig thru coin), I work ungimmicked. I'm no coin worker, but I do Coins Across, C/S, Scotch and soda, 2 in the hand, 1 in the pocket etc, without gaffs.

This isn't because I'm a purist! Mainly because I never had the finances to buy gaffs, when I started, and I'd rather not worry about resetting gimmicks, switching in shells and so on, when performing.

My performing environments, like pubs and clubs, were unforgiving, (as were some of the punters!), so I'm gald that if anything goes missing, it'll be a few 2p coins or a £1-25 pack of cards, not my £50 Coin Unique!

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I think you over paid for your coin unique ben! On that subject I had an unfortunate coin unique moment the other night. I had the 2 pound 2p version, so I put the two coins in her hand and tell her to squeeze, when she opens her hand the coin had broken in two. It looked like she had squeezed so hard the middle of the 2 pound coin had popped out! I told her she didn't know her own strength and moved swiftly on, got away with it fortunately... So being ungimmicked certainly has advantages!
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Andy, I was exaggerating the cost. I don't own one!

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For non-gaffed version of c/s you could also see Coinmagic for a few Latta sequences (I think Latta....I don't have the book with me) that work nicely together.

And to ever plug Curtis's work, there will be a version of c/s on the next PoS DVD that doesn't use a gaff per se, but rather a fun extra coin that gives you an extra effect gratis. This is the version I've been doing non stop and killing people with (well, I do stop to do a card trick know and again).
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On 2003-02-01 08:59, Kainoa wrote:

And to ever plug Curtis's work, there will be a version of c/s on the next PoS DVD that doesn't use a gaff per se, but rather a fun extra coin that gives you an extra effect gratis. This is the version I've been doing non stop and killing people with (well, I do stop to do a card trick know and again).


So when is this new PoS DVD going to be available?
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LinquidSn, If you are intersted in this topic, and the thoughts of me as well as many of the people that post here, read this thread Gaffs vs. Knucklebusting

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There, did you see that?


The chance, nay, an invitation for yet another shameless commercial plug, and I almost missed it! I must be slipping.

"Palms 3" working title: "The Funslinger" is now projected for the end of February. I figured that would be a good time, until everybody started going nuts over "The Elevator" Smile

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I know this is off topic, but does anyone know where I could find the explaination for Gary Kurtz Full Frontal Assault?? i bought the Stevens video, but theres no explaination! any help is appreciated
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I'm a purist too. I LOVE magic without shells or other gaffs because there's less to lose or break. However...

I agree with Coinjurer- I like stuff that Looks like magic... Shells and other gaffs make so much more possible.

When you think about it, using gaffed coins takes just as much or more skill as any other sleight of hand. I believe you can still be purist and use a gaff now and then- when it's most effective.

But for pure purist pleasure...

Check out DEAN DILL'S "No Extras". He blew me away with a 4-coin matrix using four borrowed (Malaysian Ringets) that I used to carry for a version of Bobo's gadabout coins.

No extra coins, no shells. Timing and some other very clever moves make it a miracle. "No extras" can be found on Dean Dill's video-"Intimate Coin Miracles I".


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Tony
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While I love doing gaffless coins, gaffed coins simply look very magical. A simple example would be a simple coins accross vs. a coins accross with a gaff. As a matter of fact I can do a simple coins accross with any gaff and repeat the trick with the gaff and they spectators always get blown away.
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hmmm i disagree with gaffed coins make it seem more magicial.

for example, Kainoa harbottle's repeat coins from nostril blew the crap out of me.

and i was even more amazed that it was with only 3 coins. great great stuff.

that made me believe that no gaffs is nessary for a strong trick.

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FOUNDATION. While I have gaffs, these are merely tools and/or aids in presenting magic. About 90% of my repertoire use sleight of hand without any gaffs. I do like to use a variety of non-gaff coins as well (clads, silvers, gold, Chinese brass coins, Aussie and British copper Pennies for variety). At times the beauty of coin magic is that you can use a spectators day-to-day coins (pennies, nickels, dimes or quarters--99.999% of the time they won't have any other currency or something larger than a quarter coin). It's a good foundation to develop your basic sleight of hand which can also be used for gaffed coins for those of us who prefer to use them from time to time. J.B. Bobo's The New Modern Coin Magic, David Roth and a slew of coin handlers have included gaffs in their books and videos to have variety and to give ideas about presenting a routine. There are definitely a lot of magical effects that do not use gaffs. With the basic knowledge of these sleights you yourself can develop your own routines--it's mind boggling but simply by just reading Bobo's book, for instance, you can combine dozens & dozens of routine and develop your own ungaffed routines.

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The KING of purist coin magic today, at least to my knowledge, is Rune Klan. No gaffs - EVER! The best thing about learning from someone like that is if you don't mind employing a gimmick here or there, you can take his already stunning routines and make them just a little cleaner.

I may be a little out of line here, but David Neighbors - a purist????? I think I would have read 2-3 routines of his that don't use a gaff - the rest of the 40 or more I have seen are gaff city (don't get me wrong, some of them are great routines)!!! It was my understanding that in this context, a purist was someone who is using normal, ungimmicked coins. Please feel free to disagree.
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Seth
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I believe that Mr Neighbours meant that he was a purist in terms of effect and not method. Smile
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Can anyone comment on Rune Klan's "Three Pieces of Silver"? Does it come in VHS and DVD? Thanks.
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