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Magnus Eisengrim
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On 2007-07-01 10:40, JackScratch wrote:
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3. As several people have mentioned, choose your audience--especially if you are an amateur. The rules for working pros are a little different.
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I'm afraid I disagree. I'm a working pro, and you can bet I'll bail on a person who acts like this. I would just move on to the next group. Were I performing in a theatre, on stage, I would have security remove the person.


I must have been unclear, because I agree with you. As a hired entertainer, you have different obligations and privileges than an amateur does, including access to security.

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This is the beauty of magic - we go through challenges and learn from them. And we become better.
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If I meet those people, I will end my trick.
I donot like to perform magic to who donot enjoy magic
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There are always people who willtry to ruin a trick, the best bet is to move away and work with people who do want to see you work. If the heckler follows you - just ask if they want to see a trick now or are they just going to try to spoil it for the people who do want to see you work. I do not think there is any type of person who reacts badly, but you can start to get a feeling for these people with experience.
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Sometimes I comment that there is another magician around (pointing to the heckler) and I get the audience to request his performance. Most of the time this person would walk away. Otherwise I would stop performing too, as most of you would.
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On 2007-07-01 10:40, JackScratch wrote:
Were I performing in a theatre, on stage, I would have security remove the person.

Really? You'd stop the show and either leave the stage or use your microphone to say to a security guard, "You see that guy that's heckling me? Escort him from the theater." What if the guy (either of them) said no? And after that, you'd just carry on?

I just don't see that happening. Have any of you other stage pros done this?

///ark
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On 2007-06-30 20:27, Jaz wrote:
Stopping your set until the heckler stops harrassing you is the best bet.

The girl sounds like a lunatic.
She called you a fake? A fake what?
If your the type who tries to convince people that you do "real magic" then that may have set her off. It's no crime to admit it's a trick to create the illusion of magic and entertain.

Good post here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=41


A search for 'hecklers' and 'grabbers' should help with solutions.



I think this link gave some of the best advice I've ever read. Thanks, Jaz.
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Bring out your old ratty deck and ask her if she could help you in a trick. Nothing like 52 card pick up!

Since yo usaid it was some of your buddies and she wasn't, you could have put your cards away and just started talking about other stuff. Eventually she wouldn't be getting the attention she wanted and would run off to bug someone else. I would not try performing with her aroudn though, will just be a pain in the rear for you and not worth it.
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I just fooled some friends over a bbq with the ambitious card routine. It was great! Of course, I didn't have any bad spectators, they were thoroughly entertained. However, when I do have that one bad seed who won't stop and just continues to be a pain in the butt, I just simply end whatever it is I'm doing and move on.
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My tip is don't perform at school unless it's for nice girls, or your close friends because all the other idiots will do anything that's possible to ruin your's and everyone else's enjoyment.

When I wanted to show some magic at school, I brought my brand new Black Tigers. I only have one of these decks since they're more expensive than others... Anyways, one of the guys immediately grabbed it out of my hand, bending the cards. I got the cards back from the moron but he wouldn't let go of the case, and now it's ripped (not going to mention how I got it back). Also brought with me my Coin Bite. Needless to say, they thought it was a gimmick right from the start, and not because of me, but because of the teenagers losing control of their hormones.
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It's difficult to handle that kind of situations, even when you have experience. You're going to hear a lot of ways to try to avoid it, but a thing the better one is to demonstrate some attitude (not attacking your audience but showing you're the one in charge). If you don't hesitate, you'll reduce the chances of occuring something not wished...
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I half agree with Greedo about not doing magic in school. I would say (and his experience seems to bear me out) do not take your gaffes/gimmicks/props to school.

I have said before in a recent post, your school peers are going to be the HARDEST crowd you'll ever have to entertain and I would not blame anyone for not doing their magic in school.

However, if you learned some coin sleights, magic with keys, etc and borrowed stuff for doing tricks, the other kids would not be able to grab your stuff as it wouldn't be YOUR stuff. Many people think that all magic is gaffes and gimmicks so if you turn up with something alien looking like Black Tigers they are going to be suspicious. So if you do some strong magic without the aid of your own props, what can the idiots do, even if they suspect?
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On 2007-07-02 17:42, VcosNJ wrote:
I just fooled some friends over a bbq with the ambitious card routine. It was great!


It's definitely a FOOLER.
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My son does (did) four shows a day at school. It's been a great training ground for him.

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On 2007-07-01 13:43, Mark Wilden wrote:
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On 2007-07-01 10:40, JackScratch wrote:
Were I performing in a theatre, on stage, I would have security remove the person.

Really? You'd stop the show and either leave the stage or use your microphone to say to a security guard, "You see that guy that's heckling me? Escort him from the theater." What if the guy (either of them) said no? And after that, you'd just carry on?

I just don't see that happening. Have any of you other stage pros done this?

///ark


You know, I would. To be honest it hasn't come up. I have never ever had anyone behave so poorly at m performances that I have been forced to call upon security, but should the need arise, I would not hesitate. A stern but brief word to the offending party is all that has ever been required to control any situation I have ever had, however out there, somewhere, waiting for me is a situation which calls for more than the usual situation can controlled with. I like to think that when that event occurs I will recognize it and deal with it correctly. I'm betting the guy who played Kramer in "Seinfeld" wishes that had been true for him, and that he had called upon security.

Magnus Eisengrim - I knew you agreed, I expressed what I said that way for effect. Sorry for the confusion.
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While there are a lot of useful comments in this thread, it does make me feel a little bit more nervous about ever performing.

But personally, I like the idea of giving them suggestions about how it's done. The wrong ones, of course, but still. I like to see one of those people trying to do it as well and (of course) fail. Especially when they don't practise first and immediately try to show their 'trick' to other people. I have seen it happen and I loved it Smile
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On 2007-07-03 02:05, tony2514 wrote:
I half agree with Greedo about not doing magic in school. I would say (and his experience seems to bear me out) do not take your gaffes/gimmicks/props to school.

I have said before in a recent post, your school peers are going to be the HARDEST crowd you'll ever have to entertain and I would not blame anyone for not doing their magic in school.

However, if you learned some coin sleights, magic with keys, etc and borrowed stuff for doing tricks, the other kids would not be able to grab your stuff as it wouldn't be YOUR stuff. Many people think that all magic is gaffes and gimmicks so if you turn up with something alien looking like Black Tigers they are going to be suspicious. So if you do some strong magic without the aid of your own props, what can the idiots do, even if they suspect?


Yes, I agree. Especially borrowed items would be great.
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When I was about 21, I was doing walk-around in a night club. I approached a gal at the bar and did the 50 cent piece in a beer bottle routine. Half way through, a porker sitting next to her started telling her about the gaff and how I did it. Before I got a chance to react, she turned to him and snapped, "Hey, fat boy, I'm really enjoying this, so cork it!" He turned about 4 shades of red and shut his hole.

For the newer guys and gals, I must say that this rarely has happened to me. Most people love to be mystified. Unfortunately, there's a few that see it as being fooled and simply can't take it.
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Skypoint,

As much as I don't understand that mindset, you are right. Some people just DO NOT like to see magic tricks because they feel that they are being made the fool.

You simply must choose your audience wisely - especially as a amateur.
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Not all feel they are being made a fool and lash out, some just have underlying insecurities and need to feel valued and acknowledged for how "smart" they are.

The only time I remember this happening to me was when I did an impromptu version of B'Wave for two guys. I didn't have the "packet", so it took a little more verbal maneuvering. After the trick, the one guy said to the other, "Don't you get it? He just led you to pick that card!"
Fortunately, the other guy didn't believe him. Smile
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