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Michael Baker
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Tony2514,

Thanks for the info. It won't affect me, as I quit smoking and quit doing cigarette magic at the same time (about 5 or 6 years ago). I was just more curious as to the loopholes in the system, assuming a performance of a theatrical nature would likely posture itself under the assumption that this "part of the premises" referred to in the law is a stage, detached for all practical purposes from the audience's "space".

I understand better than anyone that pencils, crayons, etc. could be used as a substitute article, but the original post referred to the vanish of a lit cigarette... hardly the same effect if done with a crayon (maybe a flaming crayon).

I used to do the cigarette through quarter, and feel a loss of effectiveness there, as well, if using one of the second choice items.

I mentioned a vanishing lit match earlier. Matches can still be incorporated for a couple other purposes in the course of a magic act. The question then would be, "Is it appropriate to foul up the air with the smell of sulphur from the frequent lighting of matches?" As an incidental effect, used sparingly, it might be quite effective. Doing it 20 times in an hour would be different.

(Now that I'm thinking of it, vanishing a lit birthday candle might be a cool trick.)

MagicSanta's anecdotal experience with a wooden cigarette was unfortunate, but sadly, such is life in a world filled with zealots. It's truly a pity that it did not happen in such a way that their (the whistle blowers) thunder was stolen during the performance. But in such a world of zealots, we also find those who only throw rocks while standing behind a tree.

As a final thought regarding cigarette magic, there is a video online of Roland Henning doing a cigarette act in which the cigarette is never lit, even though he desperately tries to light it. I had heard of such an act several years ago, but I don't know if this other performance was Roland or not. Either way, it is a brilliant piece of magical routining that can easily be justified by either a smoking audience, or the strongest of anti-smokers' groups. They would each perceive a different message from it. The routining transcends the lameness of doing a routine with unlit cigarettes when lit cigarettes would produce a more logical piece of magic.
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On 2007-07-02 17:49, MagicSanta wrote:
I quit smoking about ll years ago. I was in California, talk about a place anti smoking. First I had to smoke outside, so I did, then 15 feet from the building, so I did, then, and this was good, off the property...but I couldn't leave the property during work hours! From what I hear smoking is now banned in parks outdoors and they want it banned in cars.



Hey, I think it's great. If it gets more people to quite smoking, there will be fewer deaths and less pollutioin. Smile
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I'm not complaining but I feel bad for the smokers. It is hard to quit and it isn't easier if a bunch of people are giving them bs. Cigs don't contribute enough to pollution for even the nicotine nazis to use it as a complaint. Now here in Nevada they just passed some anti smoking laws but not one person works to enforce it! Good times for smokers here.
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They should ban smoking everywhere. It's a horrible, horrible habit. Not only does it stink, it kills. They should also outlaw old and fat people, they smell too, they walk too slow, they're hard to get around and they are an eye-sore. Nose-picking needs to be taken a look into. People are just disgusting. What, you don't think we can see you because you're in your car? Flatulence!!! Not just humans, but cows, pigs and sheep. Farting livestock are all contibuting to global warming. They're gonna kill all of us.
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On 2007-07-03 00:34, Magicmania wrote:
Hey, I think it's great. If it gets more people to quite smoking, there will be fewer deaths and less pollutioin. Smile

Fewer deaths means more people. More people means more pollution. Hmmm! The horns of a dilemma?
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On 2007-07-03 00:34, Magicmania wrote:
Hey, I think it's great. If it gets more people to quite smoking, there will be fewer deaths and less pollutioin. Smile



I think you'll find that, in spite of a smoking ban, human mortality remains constant at 100 per cent.

As for the loophles, it's not really worth it, is it? I mean, in a strolling situation when no one is smoking, it's hardly appropriate to light up a fag just so you can make it disappear again. You'd look like a right arse.
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[quote]On 2007-07-03 00:34, Magicmania wrote:
Hey, I think it's great. If it gets more people to quite smoking, there will be fewer deaths and less pollutioin. Smile


Not really...If I had to quit smoking...I'd go on a killing spree!!!

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Hey, California Magi:

Can you help me understand our State's ambivalence towards smoke?

Light up one weed and you're breaking the law, as well as boosting the death toll of second-hand smoke victims this week, impairing your health, lining the pockets of the tobacco pushers fueling your addiction and contributing to global warming. Light up another weed and you ignite a constitutional crisis by claiming a need for "medical marijuana," AND the same "Meathead" lobbyists who demonise tobacco smoke become strangely silent about the potentially carcinogenic consequences of your doobie fumes!

I saw "12 Angry Men" in L.A. recently with my son - an adequate stage adaptation of the Fonda classic. The programme had, in bold type, a notice about "Smoking, which was common in the era depicted, will be replicated with herbal cigarettes." Eh, I guess I should be happy there weren't any warnings about trans-fats.

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On 2007-07-04 11:42, Leland Stone wrote:
The programme had, in bold type, a notice about "Smoking, which was common in the era depicted, will be replicated with herbal cigarettes."



"...Therefore, the hatred and anger in your soul should be replicated with feelings of joy and contentment, because we have spent what is now wasted time and energy (and probably money) to insure you that we are not invading your thought patterns by causing you to be concerned that we might actually be lighting a real cigarette. We hope you appreciate our decision to exercise stupidity in order to not hurt your F***ING FEELINGS!!"

"Additionally, the title, 12 Angry Men will be replaced with An Unspecified Number of Emotionally Challenged Genderless People, so as not to offend anyone based on sex, mental state of mind, or deficiencies in math skills."

"Notice to all patrons: The extra time, energy and money spent on all of this crap is being passed on to you, as will be reflected in the prices of your tickets and concessions."

"Have a nice day!" Smile
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Mike Gallo & Michael Baker: funny guys!!

Incidentally, we could all learn something from the lobbyists, public health officials and others who managed over two or three decades to convince the world that "secondhand smoke" is a dangerous killer: it's the greatest trick ever pulled off!

As a certain Paul Josef Goebbels observed, "tell a lie for long enough and it becomes the new truth".
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As a certain Paul Josef Goebbels observed, "tell a lie for long enough and it becomes the new truth".


Amen...One nation controlled by the media...


Anyway I had the same problems with the smoking ban here in CA back in 1997. So I switched to the fake cigs...they work pretty good and they are a lot more durable than real cigs...
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For the people who think that secondhand smoke is not a killer - try talking to Roy Castle's family, and he is not the only one. There is scientific proof that smoke can kill.

ALSO - as part of my act, I have now started to light a (fake) cigarette - when somebody makes a comment, I make it disappear. Corny but it works as the ban is still in everyines mind.
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For the people who think that secondhand smoke is not a killer - try talking to Roy Castle's family, and he is not the only one. There is scientific proof that smoke can kill.


ALSO - as part of my act, I have now started to light a (fake) cigarette - when somebody makes a comment, I make it disappear. Corny but it works as the ban is still in everyines mind.


Sadly, non-smokers do sometimes die of lung cancer, quite irrespective of their exposure or not to "second-hand" smoke. Anyway...

I like your magic idea: wonder how the ban will remain in people's minds?
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On the issue of second hand smoke, I choose not to debate this. I don't smoke anymore. It bothers me now to be in a room filled with smoke, but I do not take issue with it. I either put up with it, or leave. I DO however, have a problems with zealots... regardless of which side of the fence they are on.

Regarding solutions to the problem of wanting or trying to do cigarette tricks in in such a politically charged world as we seem to be in now, I have my solution, others have theirs, and some miss the point by choosing to use the opportunity to promote their views on smoking.
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Well said Michael.
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Smokey and they banned it.

New Burt reynolds movie
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Think about this...everyone who lives in the LA/Orange County/San Bernardino and has ever been exposed to a Stage 3 Smog Alert (109 Days Last Year) has just smoked 3 cigs per/hr of exposure at a Stage 4 (88 Days in 06)it's 6 per/hr...And at Stage 5 (15 in 06; and we have topped that this year we had 2 in the last 3 days) you can do the math its equal to 12 cigs an hour. And LA is not the worst city in the world not by a long shot. It's not 2nd hand smoke from cigs that is the 2nd leading cause of lung cancer...it's the 2nd hand smoke from everything else around us...and it seems the only control we have is to make it worst and that's just A OK. Of course the government is going to tie the trillion dollar tobacco industry down to the "tracks" and point all the blame toward them. Remember this whole thing was never about 2nd had smoke...it was weather or not smoking was addictive...Well addiction is not a big enough problem so lets target 2nd hand smoke...and the people bought it...”Hook Line and Sinker!!!” This country was built on tobacco, thrived on tobacco; most of us would not even be here if it wasn't for tobacco. We aint dying because of tobacco we're dying because of oil. We're getting slaughtered day in and day out because of oil. When are we all going to say enough is enough lets sit back have a drink and a smoke and figure this thing out. Because at this rate, if the 2nd hand smoke don't "clip" you; We got ourselves a pretty good war going on that could and more than likely will take a turn for the worst. You think GW Bush and Dick "Head" Chaney are going to bow out gracefully if things are unfinished or not up to their standard? I see them making a big mess of things just like they have done for the past 7 years, and just like any big corporation would do to avoid being bought out. Way too much at stake...Bush and his Oil...And "Dick" with all the Halliburton contracts waiting to break ground on 4 of the largest oil refineries on the planet...Here's something you can smoke on, there is zero EPA in the middle east and they have no plans for any.

Sorry to ramble on but this subject just touches a nerve...Ok who want's to see a magic trick??? I need a cigarette and a quarter...I'm gonna step out...have a smoke and make a phone call...someone get me another beer...PLEASE!!!

Piece...Later & Out,

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I don't like being around smokers cuz the smoke smells gawd aweful. When I quit and got my sense of smell back, which was very weird cuz I thought the car was burning all the time, I finally found out what smoke smelled like and was embarrassed.
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You think GW Bush and Dick "Head" Chaney are going to bow out gracefully if things are unfinished or not up to their standard? I see them making a big mess of things just like they have done for the past 7 years, and just like any big corporation would do to avoid being bought out. Way too much at stake...Bush and his Oil...And "Dick" with all the Halliburton contracts waiting to break ground on 4 of the largest oil refineries on the planet...Here's something you can smoke on, there is zero EPA in the middle east and they have no plans for any.
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Piece...Later & Out,

RJ

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Yeah I remember when George and Dick invented the combustion engine and started this whole global warming thing, wasn't about the time Al Gore invented the internet.

Al Gore news flash:
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Former US Vice-President turned climate campaigner Al Gore has said his son is getting treatment after being arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs.
Al Gore III, 24, was stopped by police as he sped at 100mph (160km/h) in his low-emission hybrid car in California.
Marijuana and prescription drugs were found during the search of the car. Mr Gore did not have prescription for any of the drugs, police said.
He was later released on $20,000 (£10,000) bail.
"We're glad that he's safe and that he's getting treatment," the former US vice-president told NBC News.
Mr Gore is one of the organisers of Live Earth
"We're going to leave it as a family matter," he added.
The younger Mr Gore was stopped after Orange County sheriff's deputies spotted his Toyota Prius speeding on a motorway near Los Angeles.
In 2003, Mr Gore was arrested for marijuana possession in Maryland, and in 2002 for suspected drink-driving in Virginia.
His latest arrest came just days before his father is due to take part in Live Earth - a worldwide series of concerts to raise awareness of climate change.
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How many carbon credit is pot? Did George plant the drugs in his car? Funny how every time Al opens his mouth we have a cold winter and a mild summer. Global warming? I think not. It is the new way to control people and tax them.

BTW ....What a great father Al is. Not going to stop his campaign to be by his child's side. Sure he is 24, but what would you do if it was your kid?

Blaming George for your troubles is just a cop out. These are serious times and people are arguing about stupid things instead of the real world problems. Islamic Fascism... the new Third Reich. You think your living under an iron fist now just stop an think if Islamic Law is in control.

Thank a soldier today, they do what most don't have the balls to do!!

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[quote]On 2007-07-04 09:34, mike gallo wrote:
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On 2007-07-03 00:34, Magicmania wrote:
Hey, I think it's great. If it gets more people to quite smoking, there will be fewer deaths and less pollutioin. Smile


Not really...If I had to quit smoking...I'd go on a killing spree!!!

Mike


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