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I've been working on this routine for quite a while and I'm wondering about the timing when doing the yim yam flim flam move to produce the second coin. I seems clearer to me when I show three coins in the left and one in the right and then close my right hand and then proceed to do the YYFF move, all attention will be on right hand and the audience will be able to take in the visual nature of the production. Any thoughts?
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Sean --What production are you referring to? I'm totally clueless.
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I don't understand why you are closing your right hand to do the YYFF move, the move is down with your right hand palm up and a sudden jerk of the hand downward. It is a visible production.
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The whole point to Homer's routine 4 coins and a Filipino is a open palm coins across.
Both palms are always show they never close. Once you close either hand then its not 4 coins and a Filipino anymore.
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where can this routine be found?
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Sean,
Keep your hands open at all times. That's the whole beauty of the routine. The other tip is to pause after each coin for a significant amount of time for the audience to appreciate what is happening. The slight jerking of the hand covers anything that the audience shouldn't be seeing. Email me if you need anything specific. This is one of my fav. routines. Hope all is well.

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It is in Magic Man Examiner from Chris Kenner.
As a guy who's first language is not English I could somewhat follow Chris' strange humor in TOOC. However I never found out what this filipino was meant to be...Can somebody explain?
(I mean the title, not the gimmick of course)
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Whoops, that was a bad expalanation, what I meant was just the opposite, I think Doug got what I meant. I was wondering if I should keep the hand closed that wasn't doing the Yim Yam Flim Flam move that way there would be focus on the production. I've been doing it with both hands open as desribed in the Magic Man Examiner but I saw Apollo Robbins on a video clip doing a Three coins across and he used the YYFF move in his routine, and the other hand was closed when he did it, which made the producton quite clear.

I've wondered if laymen would think that I am somehow tossing the coin over when both hands are open. Thanks for the feedback guys.

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Dan, If i'm not mistaken i think Homer Liwag(whose routine this is) is filipino. Smile
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Sean,

I do my own variation of the routine I have combined with "3 Way Crossing" from my website video. I am calling the routine "Filipino Crossing". It only uses 3 coins but it uses the toss of the coin "that never goes" and the YYFF move. I keep both hands palm up during the move. I drop both hands suddenly palm up and that very motion causes a coin to dissappear from my left hand openly and appear on the right hand. I think it works great. I tell the spectators that they can watch any hand they want, and it really doesn't matter which one they watch, both hand motions are the same. And what happens in each hand is equally as magical (a vanish in one a production in the other).
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Where can the Magic Man Examiner be purchased? Smile
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They're pretty tough to find these days, good luck in your search as I got lucky with mine.
Sounds cool Dan, I'm off to your site to check it out right now.
Thanks for the replys guys. Nice to hear from you as well Doug. Drop me a line again soon. Oh and come to Hong Kong again so I can see you do the routine.
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I'm very interested in this trick as well since I'm... ahem... Filipino!

Any help in aquiring the routine would be appreciated.
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They were printed over a decade ago and are impossible to find unless you find someone willing to depart with their copy.

Last year at LVMI Chris Kenner walked in with a stack of them and people bought them up like hotcakes.
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Aha! That makes sense Seth! I was thinking much too complicated, but I've never seen a picture of mr. Liwag.
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Getting back to the philosophical question of whether to close the left hand so the audience focuses on the coin's arrival (via the YYFF move) in the open right hand:

I say close the left hand. Otherwise, you split the viewer's attention, thus diluting both the vanish and the reappearance.

The same question has been discussed regarding Three Fly: Should the coin leave one hand and then arrive in the other, or vanish-reappear simultaneously. Answer: Whichever way works best for you. For me, it's sequential rather than simultaneous.

Personally, I love the YYFF move so I incorporated it as a visual sequence in Roth's Shell Coins Across (rather than doing the whole Four Coins and a Filipino routine).

Awaiting debate,
Jerry
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That's how I feel Jerry, I won't really be able to make a true judgement until I test it on real people, they will give me the best advice as it's for them anyhow, This is just what I came up against in practice. Cheers Jerry.
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