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Chris Becker
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Semianius mentioned that the "Magic Music"-CDs were not suitable for manipulation. Well, I guess we all know a whole bunch of music that isn't but - help! - which is?
There are also two "schools" concerning music with lyrics and plain instrumental pieces. Which do you prefer and why? Do you think sung songs are likely to distract the audience? But so could a fancy piece of music.

Btw, I just listen to "Hello again" which Topas used in his Prize-winning act ... complete nonsense lyrics but it seems it worked nonetheless.

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Well Chris, it's not that "all" of it is unsuitable, just most. The problem is that because manipulation has so many effects going on at a time, you need a great deal of crescendos. A lot of the music seems to be aimed at dancing with your assistants and such. It works well for illusions, because there is one trick being done and the rest just needs to be drawn out (though some illusionists hit the same problem because they want to do more than just move around). Listen to that piece they use on World's Greatest Magic all the time. The one Jeff McBride and Craig Fruin and whoever else used. Look for a piece that's similar.

Mind you, if you just want some music playing in the background you can use just about anything. Many manipulators like to "respond" to the music and that's the reason for the number of crescendos, it gives you something to respond to. Ask around, I've heard that some of those Magic Music CDs have one or two useful songs. Someone may have put one out for manipulators by now and I just haven't run across it yet.

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There's a Greek musician named Yanni that has a song called "Santorini" which I think is ideal for a manipulation routine for it has lots of shades. Try to download it from internet. Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile
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I'll have to try that. I never knew Yanni was Greek. Smile

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How about the Illusionworks "Music for Modern Magical Performances"? They advertise vol. 1 as being suitable for manipulation. Anyone have experience with that disc?
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I haven't run into that one yet, but I'll try it and let you know.

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Anyone tried Siegfried & Roy's CD "A Life of Magic" (that was a guess, I don't remember the title)?!

Let us know what you think of it!

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I would go for anything classical or a soft techno like trance.

But thats maybe just my kind of manipulation atmosphere.
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I'm a juggler/ magician so you could say much of my act revolves around manipulation.

I don't really like music with vocals as it is distracting. Music should work hand in hand with your act, not take the lead.

Having said that, I'll contradict myself by saying that I do a brief routine that makes fun out of Michael Jackson and I use his original version of Bad.

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Jeb,

Have you checked out the Illusionworks cd yet?
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Is it even possible to do a card manipulation type routine with a patter instead of music? I mean possible without coming across look a doofus.
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I don't think there is a right or wrong background for manipulation. It all depends on the type of manip you are doing and the tempo. For instance, at one point in my routine, I change a candle to a billiard ball which starts off my manipulation. I end by reappearing the candle. I do the routine very slow and formally and use "Fascination" for my music. This music would not be suitable for card manipulations. Best to experiment around. Yanni does have some good stuff and the illusionworks CD's are fine.
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Bret,
I recall finding most of the Illusionworks music to not have enough crescendos for manipulation, but it has been a while since I heard them last. I'll try to listen my friends copy and see.

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Two items I'd like to suggest for consideration are:


  • The "Morning Serenade" from Prokofiev's "Romeo & Juliet" ballet music; it's a fascinating blend of mandolins, violins and brass, lasting about 2.5 minutes.
  • Rick Wakeman's "Merlin the Magician" from "The Myths and Legends of King Arthur..."; Lots of synthesized variety. This one is a bit long at almost 9 minutes, but a good digital sound editor could customize it to suit a shorter routine.


These two have been on my mind for a long time as potential accompaniment pieces, and I'm currently working on a zombie routine with the Prokofiev piece. I hope they might be of benefit to someone else...

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I like some fast beat music playing, it fits when I am popping cards.
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Check out the music from Movies.
Soud Tracks are great like.
Dragon The Bruce Lee Story
Dragon Heart.
Kull.
Whilst most of these are not suitable, some of the pieces are perfect. (especially with the Dragon the Bruce Lee story. The music in the movies is designed to bring out an emotion more than a normal music group, so hire out the movies and see for your self.

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Talking about music i have bought a cd called illusionique but out by OPUS 1 produtions it has a lot of good music for manipulation and comes with a sheet that tells you what illusions would suit witch song, if you would like to get a cd let me know and see if i can get one to you. My self i have no problems with music because my stage show i produce roses and pictures of roses on cards so my music is usally some romantic music like Witney Houston or simular so i guess like it depending on what you produce can determen the music, and Peter Gabriel has some really up- beat music cheak it out and see if it suits you. Well hope that helps out.

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you know kind of music would for some card manipulation or any kind of stage trick would be techno or a trance like music. there is all kinds of different styles just take your pick. there is fast and slow paced styles. techno or rave is great for dancing with an assitiant. trance would be good for a phantom f/x like the one Lance Burton has done. you just need to choose the style you like there is plenty out there.

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Personally, I use Vivaldi's Concerto grosso op. 3/8 in A minor parts 1&3 Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue could work with the right act. Good luck.
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Chris,

Good music is a lot like digging for gold. Or, Ya’ have to kiss a lot of frogs…

Lyrics ~ No Lyrics: I use both. Depends on the effect, depends on the music. Personally, I am 85% no-lyrics. Here are some titles you might want to look into:

What “feel” are you going for? Some artists can be counted on for certain types of music: For ethereal, you can’t go wrong with music by Enya. Playful? Danny Elfman (Beetlejuice, Pee Wee’s Big Top, etc.) is excellent. For more pushy tempos, I like Yellow. For Electronic - The Art of Noise.

Instead of shopping by artist, you can also try movie soundtracks. Some soundtracks are strictly pop or rap. But many soundtracks are rich in instrumentals, and often don’t need to be current. In fact, I’ll go for movies that have been out of the theatres for a while, so that the music in not so recognizable. Movies like Basic Instinct, Rain Man, Tucker (the man and his machine), Sliver, etc. Great theme stuff can come from soundtracks, too. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly (Western), Dragnet or Peter Gunn (Trenchcoat). Many times soundtrack music is short enough as to not require editing,

To find them, call the shops in your area that buy/sell/trade used CD’s. Ask if they have a listening booth, or headphones. Pick out some cd’s that look promising by looking for interesting titles on the front and in the contents. Sample them. With experience you will get pretty good at spotting the track titles or artists that will be most likely to yield results.

And then, there are the Cirque du Soliel sound tracks. They always have interesting music, and judging by the number of magicians who use the Cirque music, they are suitable in a lot of cases. You can sample them Here! or go Here! and follow the links to multimedia, music. You can buy them Here! You will probably find them very satisfying. TWO NOTES: 1) Be prepared to edit. The numbers are usually long. 2) You’ll find that for the most part, the vocals in these do not compete with you. The voices in these are used as instruments.

With all the above, you should not have ASCAP issues unless you want to use the music on TV, or a super high profile free standing event. I could be mistaken, but I’ve been covered by most venues I have worked.

In closing, be prepared, just like when you are looking for a new move or magic effect, to shop a lot, and have to “try on” the music before you know that it will work for you. It’s likely that you’ll take a lot of CD’s home before you find the perfect number.

Happy shopping!
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