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AsL Special user 680 Posts |
If you had to pick one, would you consider the Hofzinser convincing control a switch or a control?
-just food for thought- All the best, magicianguy4life |
Shodan Special user Isle of Man 663 Posts |
I use it most often as a switch in John G's excellent trick, everywhere and nowhere.
Usually if I do a spread control I don't bother with the outjog bit - it only has to be pushed in again anyway. However, if you're being technical, I guess the only sensible answer is to consider it a simultaneous control and switch - what you do after that is up to you.
"You don't go up to strangers with a stick and come at their head...introduce yourself first, then come at them with a stick." - David Williamson
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
The sleight itself is a Switch, but it is usually combinded with bringing the selection to bottom of the deck. So it is a Switch + Control.
You can use the sleight as a Steal if you steal the culled card, Switch + Steal. BTW, I think 'Convincing Control' is not appropriate name for the sleight. Hofzinser never upjogged the switched card. Also I think Hofzinser's way of not upjogging the switched card is better in some cases than the Convincing Control by Marlo, Jennings, Simon or Ackermann. Hideo Kato |
jcroop Special user 771 Posts |
I, too, think it is a switch.
I do not think it is a control, since the card touched is never known, so you are not controlling a known card to a specific location. Jim |
jcroop Special user 771 Posts |
I, too, think it is a switch.
I do not think it is a control, since the card touched is never known, so you are not controlling a known card to a specific location. Jim |
AsL Special user 680 Posts |
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On 2007-07-18 21:24, Hideo Kato wrote: Why don't you think 'convincing control' is an appropriate name? Is it because you feel as if it isn't convincing or because it is done differently than Hofzinser performed it? |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
The 'Convincing Control' was so named when Marlo or Jennings published the method with out jogging. Usually we call Cull method by Hofzinser as 'Hofzinser Cull" or 'Spread Cull'.
For me, you are the first person who called the Hofzinser's sleight as 'Convincing Control'. Hideo Kato |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2007-07-18 21:55, jcroop wrote: Don't you show the touched card as the selection? If the selection is brought to bottom, it is a Control. Usually we don't know what the selection is when we control it. Hideo Kato |
AsL Special user 680 Posts |
Hideo,
I remember Allan Ackerman calling it the 'convincing control' in one of his earlier tapes. I believe that's where I picked it up. I'm not saying you're not correct though. All the best, magicianguy4life |
Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
I think he meant that "Hofzinser Convincing Control" was incorrect because Hofizinger never actually upjogged the card(which is what makes it convincing), he simply culled it in the spread without upjogging anything, known as the Hofzinser spread control.
It was Marlo(i believe, could be wrong) who added the "convincing" aspect of the outjog. More on topic, I would say that the entire discussion is really silly, as nearly every color change, control, pass, multiple lift and many others could all be called a "switch". To argue the semantics over what is a switch and what is a control seems like a waste of time, a classic pass is a switch of both bottom/top cards as well as the halves, a flip flap flop is a switch of two packets, the double undercut switches out the top card, the swingset control switches out the selection for something else, etc etc etc. |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Allan Ackerman said in the video "All these convincing controls we are doing are variations of Hofzinser's Card Pass".
It would be more accurate to say "Convincing Controls are based on the Hofzinser Spread Control", IMHO. As Daegs-san pointed 'Convincing' aspect is important to call these sleights as 'Convincing Control'. Hideo Kato |
AsL Special user 680 Posts |
Interesting...
Daegs, nobody here is arguing. People have just been stating personal opinions. It could be argued that we don't even have a debate going on. Hideo has taught me something new, people gave their personal opinions, and I've learned something from this thread. Therefore, this thread is far from silly but thanks for stating your opinion. magicianguy4life |
MueCard Inner circle 2964 Posts |
Friends of cards,
Regard Convincing Control and Hofzinser's Control it's advisable to read Frank Simon VERSATILE CARD MAGIC (1983)! |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
I think it can be a fruitful work to think about the function of Convincing Control.
If you concluded it only as a Control, your imagination wouldn't expand furhter. But if you take it as a Switch + ****, you can expand possibility of the combinations. As I mentioned, the basic use of Convincing Control is Control (Switch + Control). As I mentioned it can be a Steal. (One example is to do Bottom Cop after bringing the card to bottom. This must be considered, Switch + Control + Steal). Tom Stone has a nice Reverse technique using Convincing Control. (He reverses the selection after up-jogging the switched card. This produces an instantaneous reversal effect, that is to push in the jogged card and spreading the cards without delay to reveal the face selection). Of course you can control the selection to positions other than bottom of the deck, for example between two specific cards, to a specific location, etc. This thread reminded me the importance of analysing sleights in detail. Hideo Kato |
erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
Off topic, perhaps, but one of the key benefits of the convincing control is that it can delay the moment where the spectator believes the magic's happened (Darwin Ortiz's critical interval idea). It's a steal that actually operates on a higher level than normal steals (Diagonal Palm Shift, many side steals, etc.). As Hideo mentioned, combine the convincing control with a nice bottom cop, and you can load the card into its impossible location while everybody's still convinced it's in the deck.
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