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Cheety Regular user Melbourne 191 Posts |
Finished reading yesterday. Wat do you think about it?
Mostly Harmless ^_^
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Am I the only one who was sure Molly had the Imperious curse? Before the wedding, of course.
Also it came across (to me) that Snape really was evil. He only did what he did for his love, which he lost. He certainly was never worried about James and Harry dieing. Although he might have softened (Dumbledore: "How many people have you watched die?" Snape: "Lately only the ones I Haven't been able to save") Neville ended up kicking butt a bit, eh? Though we were going to see more of Ginny. I also thought we were going to see Aunt Petunia do something... Stupid kids on the internet and their guesses!
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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tnscot Loyal user 220 Posts |
There's a spoiler warning in the Thread title, so I'm gonna speak openly about the plot.
Loved it. I'm also surprised that we didn't see a bit more of Petunia. I'm convinced that we were supposed to at some point and JKR changed her mind. I got that feeling a couple of times in this book. But you cant possibly tie off that many loose ends that thoroughly without a litlle bit of that. I didn't feel like Snape ended up being evil. I think he was a product of his upbringing, and projected his feelings for James onto Harry...but from the moment he realized what he had wrought, he dedicated his life to Harry's protection, despite his personal feelings. That takes a great deal of inner strength, and courage. He was a rat...not a nice person at all...but the thing I like best about JKR's writing is that even the heroes are flawed. Thought the epilogue was a bit contrived, but it was mostly nice. Liked the way that people just turned up dead without a lot of drama surrounding it, and prolonged death scenes (obviously there was drama with some characters). Very realistic, from a war perspective. Hated the Dobby scene. Not because it was bad....but because it was so very sad. Maybe the saddest scene in the book. I thought for sure that Neville would die. Wish we knew what all of the man characters did as careers in the epilogue. All in all....loved it.
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
I thought the epilogue could have been better, it was supposed to tell you about the characters. It basically only let you know 7 people lived, their children's names. And Harry's scar didn't hurt..... Why would it, unless you are intended to believe there was a possibility of Voldemort's return. It's not like the scar was a bad guy detector, and the link was severed when Voldemort destroyed the Harry-Horcux.
I think the deaths that were the saddest were Hedgwig and Dobby. All Kreacher needed was a little love and he turned good? I do feel better about Dumbledores death.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Psy-Kosh Regular user Michigan 134 Posts |
Snape is... complicated (as one of my profs said in connection about book 5... or maybe he said interesting instead of complicated)
Either way, neither Snape is simply Good(tm) nor Evil(tm) would accurately describe the situation. On balance, would be weighed as good, and eeesh, deep cover like that, knowing everyone's going to hate you, etc... As far has Harry being, effectively, the seventh, well, I think many suspected (I know I did) something like that would end up happening. I also wanted to find out what it was Petunia wanted to say. Yeah, also felt a bit of a "don't do that to Dobby, that's not fair... " Definately glad that Neville ended up being what amounted to the leader of the resistance at Hogwarts. Ever since OotP, knew that he had a part to play in what was to come/wanted to see him do so. Glad he got to destroy one of the horcrux's... but how did the hat get the sword again? I mean, were some of the goblins that had access to it buddy buddy with the hat or something? I'm not entirely clear what the "baby" was... the remaining bits of moldymort's soul? something else? Also, why didn't, when it became clear that this was "it", Slughorn start distributing doses of the luck potion? what was it called? felix felicitis, or something? I mean, if ever there was a time to pull out that juice... As for future careers, maybe I missed it, but Neville was the _only_ one that we know about? Oh yeah... also shiny new reasons to hate Umberage... (She is _TWISTED_) |
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
I think the hat could summon the sword whenever someone brave needed it.
I think the Baby was Voldemort's soul unable to go back, yet unable to move on from "Kings Cross". I noticed it didn't seem as though Slughorn intended to help. In fact Mcgonagle threatened him if he decided to join the other side, or any Slytherin for that matter. Perhaps she thought it likely. Neville becoming a Herbology teacher was the only mention of future careers. Of course Hagrid seems to be doing the same thing.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Psy-Kosh Regular user Michigan 134 Posts |
She threatened the Slytherins overall, but near as I can tell, Slughorn was helping out the Good Guys(tm)...
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
I don't think he was helping the death eaters, but he seemed to be kind of keeping neutral.... Like helping people escape, not fighting. I assume he would have been a valuable defender.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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tnscot Loyal user 220 Posts |
I think the baby was the bit of V's soul that went into in Harry when he was a baby. Which was why it was represented as a baby. I agree about the sword and the hat. Just like it was there when Harry needed it. I liked that Neville retrieved it this time. Only a true Gryffindor could pull the sword from the hat, according to DD in COS.
As Always,
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
Gee whiz...
When Donna came home the other day with the book, I asked to borrow it, and immediately turned to the back and skimmed a few pages. You could see it in her face: "Don't you DARE tell me!" So I proceeded to tell her that Harry and Voldemort, in one of their later confrontations, found out that each other liked magic tricks as a kid, and immediately bonded. So they decided to bury the hatchet, come out into the real world, and go to Vegas with an act to compete w/ Penn and Teller. In fact, the end of the book finds Ron and Hermione driving down the Strip (in their minivan) and seeing this huge billboard that says, "Voldemort and Potter." I'm telling ya, Joanne should have thunk of this.
That's our departed buddy Burt, aka The Great Burtini, doing his famous Cups and Mice routine
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MagiClyde Special user Columbus, Ohio 871 Posts |
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All Kreacher needed was a little love and he turned good? Re-read Kreacher's reasons for his behaviour. His behaviour was a reflection of the way his various masters treated him over the years. Most people, when treated kindly, will respond in kind and go out of their way to keep receiving that positive re-enforcement. It also helps to create a great sense of loyalty. I, too, snuck to the end and was disappointed by it. Did Harry ever become an Auror? After all, evil doesn't end when one big, bad guy is eliminated from society. Much of what I've read so far (I'm about 2/3 of the way through the book) reminds me of Nazi Germany or the USSR. Was anyone else left with that impression? As for the Hallows, I've had a revelation about the wand, stone and cloak. The wand is a weapon, much like a sword. The stone could represent a shield. The cloak, armor. In other words, the tools of the warrior or knight. We should count our lucky stars that Hermione is good, as she has proven herself to be just as powerful (and like) he-who-must-not-be-named!
Magic! The quicker picker-upper!
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tnscot Loyal user 220 Posts |
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On 2007-07-25 01:38, clynim wrote: Actually, it reminded me more of the way black citizens in America were treated around the time of the Civil Rights Movement. I also couldn't help but think about the internment camps the U.S. put Japanese citizens in during WWII. I think it's normal to look for comparissons to attrocites committed by nations other than our own, but we will learn a lot more -about what not to do- if we look for the comparisons to ourselves. But in fear of hi-jacking this thread, I am now going to say something about the book: Do you think Snape asked Harry to, "look at me" becasue he wanted Harry to see him for who he really was? Or becasue he wanted to see "Lilly's eyes" again?
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Margarette Special user Memphis area 956 Posts |
I finished reading the book last night. My thoughts:
Regarding Dobby's death...yes, very sad. I had tears streaming down my face as I was reading that part. However, he died a most gallant hero's death. If Dobby had to die for anyone, I'm sure Harry Potter was the one person he would most willingly die for. Can you think of a more noble way for Dobby to die? Although, I had my suspicions that when his last words were "Harry Potter" he was trying to transfer some of his magical powers to Harry. The "baby"...remember, Voldemort's soul had been split into seven different parts. What was seen by Harry was only one small part, that obviously was not going to survive without a horcrux. The battle between Molly and Bellatrix...all I can say is don't ever get between a mamma bear and her cubs! They better have THAT in the movie! Regarding Snape...after book six, I had the feeling that Dumbledore had asked Snape to kill him...to die on his own terms. I didn't guess that Dumbledore was already dying. I think that's why he kept telling everyone that he trusted Snape. I was glad to find out the connection between him and Lily and the reason he hated Harry so much...he was the son of the man who stole the love of his life away! It also answered some of the questions I had about the Dursleys. I would have liked to have found out what the repercussions were to the Malfoy family. There was obviously still animosity there between Draco and Harry. Maybe Draco hated it that Harry saved his life. Hmm...sound familiar? I didn't like that they killed off both Lupin and Tonks. One of them needed to survive! And, with their deaths, since Harry was named godfather, did he raise the boy? I would have liked to have seen how the Weasley family reacted to Harry after the death of Fred...did Molly still consider Harry like a son? How did George interact with Harry afterwards? We all knew that Harry and Ginny were going to end up together as would Ron and Hermione. I knew Neville was going to really shine, but I didn't know if he was going to die or not. After all, he had to avenge his parents. I thought it was going to be Neville, not Molly, that killed Bellatrix. I thought she was going to underestimate Neville's ability, and that was going to be how she got it in the end. But, what happened to grandma? She showed up to fight, but we never found out what happened to her! As for him pulling the sword out of the hat, remember, the hat has magical powers of its own! I think Luna and Neville ended up together. I loved it that Kreacher led the attack of the house elves! Now, what happened to the Dementors after Voldemort was killed? Were they given back their positions as guards at Azkaban? I wouldn't think the wizarding world would trust them again. The epilogue...I think it was more confusing than anything. I think there needed to be more closure to the end of the "war of good vs evil". Yes, we found out what we already knew...Ginny & Harry and Hermione & Ron...and that Harry named one of his sons after Dumbledore and Snape, the other son after his father, and the daughter after his mother. But, what happened to the other Weasley's (I'm sure Arthur loved it to have some Muggle -in-laws)...what happened to Luna....how long did it take to rebuild the school and who is the headmaster...did the relationship between the centaurs and the humans change....what about Grawp...what about Number 12 Grimauld Place? There are still lots of questions. Maybe these will be answered in this encyclopedia that Rowling says she might write. Margarette
The only stupid question is the one not asked.
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
I hope it is not the last volume of the saga . . .
Cards never lie
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Or maybe she's doing the Tolkien thing and leaving it up to us to decide some stuff. I hate that.
Like Tom Bombadil, No one has any positive reason for who he is. Since Lupin and Tonks son went to the Potters at least 4 times a week -says Harry- and he would have been nineteen, at least you know they were close.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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johnnymystic Inner circle North Adams Ma. 1576 Posts |
I loved the book and read the whole thing nonstop...very little sleep, maybe three hours at best, I couldn't put it down.
I drink cheap tequila and vomit
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tnscot Loyal user 220 Posts |
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On 2007-07-25 11:04, Margarette wrote: I suspect that Teddy was raised by his grandmother.
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
They don't say much about whether Lupins son was a werewolf either. Did bill get worse after the attack by Fenrir?
Nice how Harry attacked the bad teachers in Ravenclaws area with Crucio, then Mcgonagle used Imperious. And Snape was a bat animagus?
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tnscot Loyal user 220 Posts |
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On 2007-07-25 15:07, Josh Riel wrote: I've actually heard people question wether it was right for them to do that. Well, the only reason they were unforgivable was speaking from a legal perspective. Once the Agency that was in charge of making and enforcing laws was run by criminals,and had fallen....well...it becomes a question of morals. And the morals of Harry, DA and OOTP are not in question.
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Jason Simonds Veteran user Pensacola, FL 318 Posts |
It was also explained to Harry that using Expallarimus could be considered a "Signature" curse and that he needs to do more than that. So maybe he took that to heart. And considering the time crunch he was in, Crucio was not as bad as the Killing Curse.
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