The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Dvd, Video tape, Audio tape & Compact discs. » » Refraction - David Penn (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5 [Next]
Gochos
View Profile
Regular user
175 Posts

Profile of Gochos
Quote:
On 2007-07-29 18:51, Steve Hook wrote:
Note that this is basically a 1-on-1 performance.

The demo shows a woman explaining the effect at an 8-top, but it should be said that you could not perform this simultaneously for all those people sitting at that table.


This is pure speculation by the writer, and I have to say this is completely wrong. Refraction can be performed surrounded.
Steve Hook
View Profile
Inner circle
Raleigh, NC, USA
1265 Posts

Profile of Steve Hook
Gochos:

Would you agree that it would be difficult to do surrounded if everyone was watching closely and/or hadn't been drinking alcohol?

I don't want to get too specific here re methods but I think you know what I mean.

It not like, "Please examine this spoon. Is it normal? Is it solid? OK, watch...."

Maybe it would be better to PM me?

Steve
Like Bonnie Raitt said, "I miss Little Feat more than I miss being 8 years old." Thanks for the concerts + recordings, Lowell, Richie, and Paul!
Xiqual
View Profile
Inner circle
Upper left quadrant
4934 Posts

Profile of Xiqual
Hi Steve,
The woman examines the glass first.

Everyone will believe that the spectator examined the glass and that it bent in her hands. In the second phase of bending, the whole table will see it bend.

David has covered everything.
James
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
Rupert Bair
View Profile
Inner circle
?
2113 Posts

Profile of Rupert Bair
Quote:
On 2007-07-27 21:33, Xiqual wrote:
Let's face it, the method is optical. Who really invented that? Uri Gellar?
Did anyone ask Uri if they could use his bends? I think not.


Well no but, Jim/ J ack thanked Uri. Heck he even made a big post about it.

M:C
Steve Hook
View Profile
Inner circle
Raleigh, NC, USA
1265 Posts

Profile of Steve Hook
James:

I'm conflicted. I respect your opinion and knowledge and at the same time, my good friend who bought this, watched the vid, and described it to me didn't think it was practical for a large group.

Your positive comments should clear things up for those who may be thinking of buying it.

One thing that's indisputable: The illusion for the primary spectator is exquisite.

Steve
Like Bonnie Raitt said, "I miss Little Feat more than I miss being 8 years old." Thanks for the concerts + recordings, Lowell, Richie, and Paul!
Xiqual
View Profile
Inner circle
Upper left quadrant
4934 Posts

Profile of Xiqual
Quote:
On 2007-07-30 23:37, Steve Hook wrote:
James:

I'm conflicted. I respect your opinion and knowledge and at the same time, my good friend who bought this, watched the vid, and described it to me didn't think it was practical for a large group.

Your positive comments should clear things up for those who may be thinking of buying it.

One thing that's indisputable: The illusion for the primary spectator is exquisite.

Steve


Hi Steve,
I PM'ed you on this but I want to be clear to all the people that this is a two phase bending. The frist part is in David's hands and it is mostly for the one spectator. The second phase is done by the spectator herself. It can be done completely surrounded. On the DVD it looks amazing. I haven't tried it yet, but believe me, I am preparing for that first run now.

World magic shop is a great group of people to deal with, but I secretly hope that you all will not buy this and forget about it.

I think that is what Andrew was really trying to do, sly devil that he is Smile
James
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
longhaired1
View Profile
Veteran user
Salida
315 Posts

Profile of longhaired1
Quote:
On 2007-07-24 20:00, Andrew Richmond wrote:
I find it somewhat strange that the TV rights have been held back on this effect

Forgive me as it's been a while since I've purchased magic. Is this withholding of TV rights made clear prior to the purchase?

I would never knowingly purchase an effect that has TV rights withheld.
thiago
View Profile
Regular user
Brazil
179 Posts

Profile of thiago
Maybe the point here is to review the effect not trace back the original method or the first original "published method".
But just in case,
I think the first publication around this lines would be Anneman's Jinx and his bending glass rod (hehe)

I´m from Brazil so pelase forgive my poor english (as I noticed this is also a thread about spelling, grammar, etc...)
Review King
View Profile
Eternal Order
14446 Posts

Profile of Review King
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been"

..........John Greenleaf Whittier
Gabriel Knight
View Profile
New user
88 Posts

Profile of Gabriel Knight
This was a bit of a rip from Ted Lesley. Even Ted had said that it was a old gypsy trick done in the hand. As for the TV rights, How can you copywrite a Move. That is like trying to copywrite the way you run, or throw a ball. I have never understood this, I know Video and other such things can be copywritten, but once you learn it, how can you stop someone from performing an effect?


I thought the DVD was ok, not outstanding, I would change a few things in what he had suggested, for someone who has performed this so much, some of the things don't seem well thought out. Such as his introduction of the props, seemed really weak.
jeremysweiss
View Profile
Special user
744 Posts

Profile of jeremysweiss
Great effect. Well done fideo. The girl the used as a hand model and who assisted as the teaching person--well I thought they should stop the tape and take her pulse. I would want her in my show if I was doing a hypnotist act. But the video was great.
The Shock Doc
<BR>www.TheShockDocShow.com
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>http://ballycast.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/ballycast-024-2009-03-21.mp3
<BR>
<BR>"....Jeremy Weiss has the greatest card trick of ALL TIME!"--Jamie D. Grant.
<BR>Start listening to iTricks 11/12/09
darkdean
View Profile
Regular user
153 Posts

Profile of darkdean
I thought the video was wonderfull and the handling very well taught.

I wil be working on this as I feel it would work so well in a walkround situation for somone you need to impress.

It is like ted leslys but there is a lot more work on the subject here.

Dean
Michael Clifton
View Profile
Loyal user
213 Posts

Profile of Michael Clifton
After purchasing this dvd, I had a few issues with the second phase of bending the wine glass. I e-mailed david about this, and today he did not return my e-mail. instead he phoned me directly and spent nearly an hour discussing and clarifying the routine and it's handling! Now that is someone who cares about his creation.He also gave me extra tips not covered on the dvd.Top guy! Miss this one and you miss out,

Thanks david
Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right!
wayno
View Profile
Veteran user
Canada
323 Posts

Profile of wayno
Quote:
The handling is pretty much what you'd expect and the required move is by no means revolutionary in fact it is what you would come up with yourself..


It's exactly the handling I came up with when I got Lesley's Cabaret Mind Reading DVD several years ago. First off, magic isn't real. There is only one way to bend a straight piece of glass.

The utility he recommends in the DVD was foreign to me, so it was just a matter of handling it like you would, with silverware. I am sure there are dozens who purchased Lesley's DVD who have come up with the handling.

Though in Refraction, he does cover introducing the glass, and other tidbits of valuable information. That aside, it's the same effect in my opinion, just a different presentation.

Sincerley,
Wayne Stevenson
The SpookClub
http://www.spookclub.com
Wayne Stevenson
The SpookClub
http://www.spookclub.com
MagicSanta
View Profile
Inner circle
Northern Nevada
5845 Posts

Profile of MagicSanta
Title: Refraction by David Penn
Medium: DVD
Arena: Table, parlor, stand up mentalism
Available: Any shop, distributed by Murphys Magic Supplies

(note: I have not read this thread until running through it at this moment. David Penn, who I don't know and have never heard of, does not claim originality for this routine and the DVD opens with him crediting Ted Leslie. If Mr. Leslie has an issue with the DVD he is welcome to publish it and had the credit not been given it would have bothered me. I recommend Paramiracles and if you want to read that first and you are wanting to perform the bent stem and ready to rock with it then don't bother with the DVD here. If the routine does interest you this DVD does a fine job teaching it)

Refraction is, simply, a method of bending the stem of a wine glass or any other glass with a stem. I first ran into this effect in Ted Leslies Paramiracles, a very good book on mentalism. I had never tried the routine but always liked the idea. Refraction is a well made DVD, the camera work is fine and though a bit dark it doesn’t detract from the instruction of the routine the way darkness does for some other types of magic instruction. The sound during instruction is fine with the only problem being during a cabaret performance that I couldn’t understand a word being said, which is unfortunate. Over all though the quality is fine. I do want to give a salute to the lovely Romi, the very attractive young lady who helps with the instructions. She clearly was told to stare straight ahead and not try to take any attention off the presenter but with looks like that it is impossible. As an old Seadawg I recommend Romi be in all future UK made DVDs and at the end we get to watch her pose or frolic in a pool or maybe play volleyball. Let her have her moment in the sun you barbarians!

I have to admit that I had a ball with the preparation of the glass, which is easy to do and clearly taught though one must, again I’ll say, must be careful. I am lucky enough to have a brother in law who is a glass blower and has all the safety equipment and knows how to manipulate glass and I made twisted stems, warped bowls of the glasses, stretched ones, I even tried tying knots in them. The method of getting the bend into the stem absolutely does work though. The presentation ideas were also very good and the look of the bending is great. While nothing here is new to metal benders as far as achieving the look and presentation for those that work in restaurants that have suitable glasses or banquet rooms you’ll learn how to present it right. There are also some tips on metal bending using forks and keys. I’d say the DVD accomplishes what it intends to do by showing how to prep and how to present this interesting routine. The thing I like about glass bending is people can see a fork or spoon bend and think “I wonder when he put the bend into that fork” because bending metal isn’t impossible. Bending glass and leaving it behind is a disconnect for most people, they just can’t see how a glass that they just saw as normal is now bent because, let’s face it, you cannot bend glass because unlike metal it will break after very little stress.

I really liked this routine and the DVD in general, it was well presented by David and covered all the bases. I also like the fact that you leave the miracle behind with the spectator and you even sign and date it for them. If you can do that and you know that glass will likely get onto a desk or curio cabinet it is like a constant advertisement for you. The tough part is finding the right opportunity to perform the piece. You want the glass to be part of the setting, bringing your own kind of ruins the moment, lessens it quite a bit. If you do have the right situation and the right moment this kind of routine absolutely can kill the audience. Present it straight as mentalism and you will leave the specs wondering about your powers. Well done DVD and a strong piece of mentalism.
Bill Palmer
View Profile
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
24279 Posts

Profile of Bill Palmer
I just spoke to Ted Lesley about this.

This trick is a rip-off. That's it. Period.

Ted has not given anyone permission to do this. The Bending Wine Glass in the hands has been Gerard Senehi's signature trick for several years. He acknowledged Ted Lesley's influence on his performances (presumably with respect to this item) in an interview in New Yorker.

For anyone who is involved in mentalism to produce something like this without getting Ted's permission is really beyond the pale.

Granted, Ted has been difficult to reach for some time. However, it hasn't been impossible to reach him. I spoke to him via his cell phone exactly five minutes before posting this.
"The Swatter"

Founder of CODBAMMC

My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
Bill Palmer
View Profile
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
24279 Posts

Profile of Bill Palmer
Quote:
On 2007-07-27 08:43, Slim King wrote:
So are you saying that while I do own Manifestations and Paramiricles and the excellent handling of the bending glass routine contained within these two, it would be good for me to spend an additional $70 on another version of this?
That's the bottom line Smile


Slim:

If you can't figure out how to do this with the information you already have, then take up macrame.
"The Swatter"

Founder of CODBAMMC

My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
Steven Conner
View Profile
Inner circle
2548 Posts

Profile of Steven Conner
Quote:
On 2007-07-25 05:01, Marc Spelmann wrote:
I have just spoken with David about this effect and congratulated him on something I always wanted to do but never did. Suffice to say he was initially concerned with the simularity with Ted Lesleys effect but after much discussion with well versed professionals he put this out through world magic..

A point I made to him was that his handling and thus the usability of this effect is VERY different to the original. It now makes it something that many of us here can and I am sure will use.

Bending a fork or a spoon has been done many times and we constantly purchase different handlings and methods, this is exactly that a very different handling that makes the effect in their hands and so much more useable for many professionals..

The majority of work in the UK is close up mix and mingle and the original effect couldn't be done in that environment, this however can be which makes it a value purchase.

David explains every element and subtlety in detail which takes it to literally miracle status, this is so much more than their signed card as a momento, a soggy bill that was in a lemon this will be kept and the story will be exagerated through the years..

I purchase very little these days but this to me personally is a stronge effect..

Spelmann


It would appear, "Everything's the same unless its different". There is such a fine line with magic. As good as a Patent is, someone can make a minor change and it is totally new. Needless to say, protection is difficult at its best. I remember the late great Don Alan saying one time in reference to his Chop Cup routine that once people saw his, everyone else knew who it belonged to. Not much comfort, but that's the way it is IMHO.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
Bill Palmer
View Profile
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
24279 Posts

Profile of Bill Palmer
I have been made aware of various communications concerning this release.

Here are the things I take issue with.
1) David Penn and his puppetmaster Jim Trainer claim that his "handling" is different from Ted's. However, he admits he learned the handling from a Ted Lesley lecture.

2) David and Jim claim that Ted Lesley is "aware of this release and is fine with it." This is pure horsepuckey. They did not contact Ted. Ted was made aware of this at 3:57 AM CDT this morning. He is NOT fine with it.

3) Gerard Senehi supposedly approves of their handling and claims it to be different. That's according to David and Jim. Gerard has not said this at all. Gerard is famous for the bend in the hand. Yet they claim world-wide television rights. More Horsepuckey.

My conclusion is that David Penn and his keeper, Jim, are a pair of liars who deserve each other.
"The Swatter"

Founder of CODBAMMC

My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
The Mac
View Profile
Inner circle
1974 Posts

Profile of The Mac
Do you guys not have room in your hearts for love?
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Dvd, Video tape, Audio tape & Compact discs. » » Refraction - David Penn (0 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5 [Next]
X
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2021 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.19 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL