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Obviously we wont get anywhere here, so I will end now, but what I said is very very true. Have a good one.

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I've done cloud busting for over 15 years and I've fooled thousands of people with it including reporters and gotten stories in papers all over the country by doing it.

True maybe you won't fool a scientist with this stuff, but you will fool the majority of the public. Those who have used cloud busting on spectators realize just how well it goes over. Using cloud busting as I suggest along with Rainmaker and you may fool a scientist too. The routines we give in the book, take cloud busting to a new level. They conceal the method and make it far from being transparent.

Jerome is one of the most talked about people in his area for his ability to vanish clouds. He has almost become a legend. You don't achieve this status by doing something that is transparent to spectators.

During spring, I often will drop in at one of the local colleges during lunch time. I will perform cloud busting for students sitting outdoors during lunch time. I've done it for large groups of these educated people. I have yet to have these people explain to me how it was done. Instead I wind up freaking them out.

When you point to a cloud and that cloud vanishes and ALL THE OTHERS around it remain intact...well that is not transparent.

In the book we explain how most of public assumes clouds operate. Most of the public assumes that clouds simply get blown away. Why? Because they have seen movie bits where the cloud movement is speeded up.

I've done cloud busting for people with Masters and PHDs and fooled the heck out of them. You'd have to assume these people are educated. Call it BS if you wish, but those of us who do this for real now the power and impact it can have on your reputation.
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This may have been mentioned before, but if so it is lost in the 29 pages of the other thread.

When Jerome causes a cloud to bust, the people watching him SEE the energy. Jerome begins to sweat, his body begins to glow and his skin turns red and stays that way during the busting of the cloud. If someone touches him, HE IS HOT to the touch.

This secret behind this is explained in the book. When people see this going on while the cloud is busting, the method no longer is transparent. From seeing the reaction this is causing to Jerome's body, people realize some kind of force or energy is coming forth from Jerome's body. They assume this energy is causing the cloud to vanish.
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I just ordered the book from http://www.aleena.com/tilford/CloudBusting.html !! alright !!
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On 2007-07-30 00:23, Magicsquared wrote:
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On 2007-07-30 00:07, chichi711 wrote:

As for it being "transparent". I think that depends on the performer. You certainly can make it lame and boring if you wanted to, or were not cabable of doing it well. Some people can make a ball and a tube a freaking miracle. Others cant. I guess it depends on where you are standing and how hard you are willing to work to knock the socks off someone. For me I'll do whatever it takes blow your mind.


Chichi, it's the methodology behind cloudbusting that makes it transparent, not the performance.

Nice try though.


I have been doing cloudbusting since Kenton's Wonder Words and it always plays big.
I just purchased Devin and Jerome's book and know it will be great.

Magicsquared, have you ever tried cloudbusting?
James
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You haven't had the a theatrical experience, or a truly "magical" experience until you have seen cloudbusting done by a credible master of the subject.

I can only hope and prey that through this book I become half of the talent Jerome Finely is...

I will also point out that it seems no one who has written a review on the book has actually grasped the material inside. From what I have been told -- you're all missing the point...

And as for you Magicsquared....

I heard something in reference to magicians recently... "Great entertainers, horrible people..." Commenting on the work of another having ZERO knowledge on the subject of that work. That seems pretty unethical.

All too often people reading this board fall into the trap of the "blind leading the blind". Realize that Magicsquared probably has no real working knowledge of clouds -- or the art of busting them. The next time you're ill -- seek medical advice from the kid down the street that just "LOVES GREY'S ANATOMY". Skip the real doctors -- they don't know what the hell they are talking about. Go to the guy who loves watching people pretend to be doctors on TV. Surely he is a much more credible source than a real world working proffesional...

Magicsquared...

I leave you with this quote from a classic film -- I think it fits perfectly with your jabs here on the Café...

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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[quote]On 2007-07-30 08:26, Jeff Richards wrote:

I will also point out that it seems no one who has written a review on the book has actually grasped the material inside. From what I have been told -- you're all missing the point...

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Jeff,

With all due respect, if you feel that my reivew or anyone else's review on this or any other book failed to grasp the material inside the book, you should not base that opinion upon what you have been told by others but rather should be based upon your own experience and readings. If you have not read the book, you are not in the position to judge anyone's review. After you have read the book, if in fact you decide to do, I and many other people would certainly look forward to your review and opinions as I am always willing to learn from others.

THis is an excellenet book with a a lot of practical effects and a great resource book.

Best wishes,

Michael
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I always laugh out loud when so-called performers bash an effect because they think the method is so simple. The greatest performers that I've been fortunate to learn from have taught me that it's 90% presentation/ 10% method. I have made women cry with the cross-cut force. I am not a bully who enjoys making women cry, but I have created an emotionally-strong tarot reading with a strong ending. I never take to heart the advice of those who bash an effect based on its method. I will be the first to admit that there are some cruddy methods out there. But combined with a strong, emotional presentation, even they can pass for great effects. It's especially funny when creators are bashed because their effects won't fool "educated" people. Firstly, that kind of comment is just rude and assumptive. Secondly, sometimes the easiest people to "fool" are those who think they have all the answers. Personally, I've never had to worry about whether my audience was "educated" or not, because I'm not worried about fooling them. I only worry about entertaining them and sharing a moment of fun and excitement. Maybe that is the problem with the perspective of some "performers". Too much focus on hiding the method and not enough focus on being interesting to watch. What's ironic is that the best way to hide a method is to wrap it with a strong presentation.

I'm only halfway through the book, and I have already busted a cloud for my neighbor about a half hour ago when she was home on her lunch break. She's a social worker, and I believe her to be very intelligent. Whether or not she knew the method, her reaction that of amazement. It might help that we already have a good relationship and she has seen many of my performances. It might also help that I didn't just "point and shoot". But I think what helps me the most when I entertain people is that I'm not a jerk who believes that my primary job is to fool people. Even "educated" people can appreciate that and just enjoy being entertained.
"It's all in your head...."



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Oops, sorry, hit enter too soon. I just wanted to add that I love the ideas in the book and the thinking behind the effects. I am actually relieved upon reading it because this is the kind of stuff that takes study and practice, which should eliminate the mildly curious and secret hoarders from going out and putting the work in to actually perform some of these effects.

Great work guys!
"It's all in your head...."



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Geesh, I never knew there could be so much bickering going on with the release of such a powerful book!

All I have to say (because it came from Jerome and Devin's mouth - errr fingers, and they know best) is that we really all should read and reread the book to fully comprehend the material.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN that we can't review the book and give our initial thoughts and a brief review. That is FINE! Review all you want on your thoughts on the book, and then after you have reread and comprehended more, and put the work to the test, come back and review the real work. It's all good. Stop the fighting. =]

Best to all,
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Well said, Vinnie. I'm hoping today, that at least someone will review the QUALITY of the publication. Not the contents. We spent a lot of time and effort to make this a super professional looking magic book. I hope some of you will make comments on this.

We cut no corners and paid for a FULL Color cover, we could have done a two color. The full color cost us an additional 500.00 but I felt it was worth it to ensure you guys got the nicest book we could release.

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Okay, I knew my opinion was going to go over like a lead balloon, but I offered it anyways. I didn't mean to get in the way of everyone's sycophancy.

That's not to say Devin didn't write the bible of cloudbusting. It's only to say that the fundamental principle behind cloudbusting (and other weather related effects) is transparent. And by the way, "transparent" does not mean "simple" for those of you who misinterpreted it. Transparent, in this context, means "obvious."

Devin, I would love to see a sampling of the dozens (100s?) of articles written about your ability to control the weather. I can't find any online and a LexisNexis search came up empty as well. But I might have been searching on the wrong parameters. I mean, it's great to hear all these anecdotes but I'd love to see some of the actual press.

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On 2007-07-30 08:26, Jeff Richards wrote:

And as for you Magicsquared....

I heard something in reference to magicians recently... "Great entertainers, horrible people..." Commenting on the work of another having ZERO knowledge on the subject of that work. That seems pretty unethical.

All too often people reading this board fall into the trap of the "blind leading the blind". Realize that Magicsquared probably has no real working knowledge of clouds -- or the art of busting them. The next time you're ill -- seek medical advice from the kid down the street that just "LOVES GREY'S ANATOMY". Skip the real doctors -- they don't know what the hell they are talking about. Go to the guy who loves watching people pretend to be doctors on TV. Surely he is a much more credible source than a real world working proffesional...

Magicsquared...

I leave you with this quote from a classic film -- I think it fits perfectly with your jabs here on the Café...

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."


Jeff,

I'm not a full-time, professional magician, but I work in entertainment and have a pretty solid understanding of what is powerful and what is entertaining. Not only that, but I have a third-grade education so I know how water-vapor acts as do most of my friends and family, unfortunately.

And just a quick heads-up, if the most clever and stinging retort you can make to someone is to lob a quote from a movie at them I would say don't bother with the retort. It doesn't reflect so well on your creativity.
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Some of the press is on the cover of Incredible Feats of Jason Michaels.
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Magicsquared,

I value your input, and am not upset at your comments. I offer the following;

* THIS IS A THREAD FOR REVIEWS (please, let's keep it that way.)

* Cloud busting in the past may or may not have been transparent . . . it really depends on who was performing it, and what school of thought they hailed from. Devin and I have taken this work to new levels, changed up the methods, incorporated a whole new world of work and subtletey, and the end result is far from transparent, in my experience. This is cloud busting like you have not seen before, I promise.

* I have used cloud busting in my paid, professional work for many years. I place it in my top 5 or 6 most requested and most powerful demonstrations. The results, for me, speak for themselves. This is how I make my living.

* Magicsquared, I'm not mad at ya Smile I value your input as much as the next guy. I only ask that for the sake of this thread, that you read and review the book if joining in the reviews is something that interests you. I've worked hard on this book, and many professionals have already spoken for it and stand behind our work. Also, it is early and there are only a few reviews thus far, and they are great ones.

* We can all get along here. Magicsquared offered his opinion. To be honest, I felt the same way about most of the available material concerning cloud busting. That's why I wrote this book. Please stop the attacks and harsh words, everybody.

* Thanks again to everyone for your support. Keep the reviews coming!!!

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Jerome,

You're right, I didn't mean to make this thread about cloudbusting in general.

I just bristle when I hear people say things like if you "don't get" a book then it's probably "too deep" for you to understand it. That always strikes me as a pathetic last ditch attempt to defend something.

In all honesty I hope everyone gets something of value from the material and good luck with it.
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Devin,

This eager waiting is driving me crazy!!!
heheheheh I'm kidding.
I am hoping when I get home a copy of the book will be in my mailbox, of course
that all depends if you shipped it out on Friday!
Anyways, I guess I will wait and see.
Best of luck to both Jerome and Devin.
ALEX
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Alex, it shipped Friday, I sent you a PM with the tracking number. Hope you get it today.

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When will/have Jerome's books go/gone out?
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I received my book today and after reading the first 35 pages, I could not keep reading. I had to try this out. I went outside and the first cloud I picked busted completely within a minute or two. Even knowing the method, I really felt the experience (an almost giddy feeling). I have no doubt that with no less than a mediocre of presentation will make others believe in what you claim you will do.

I hope that my short experience doesn't get lambasted but I felt I must say that this does work and is not a pipedream. There is a bit in the book to drawing a crowd that is so easy and fits the situation so perfect that will make you smile. I'm looking forward to reading the rest!

The physical quality of the book itself is very nice and reminds me of the Karl Fulves self-working series of books. The typesetting is easy to read and is typical Devin Knight instruction which doesn't translate that well to a typical book format. A more detailed table of contents would be an improvement.
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To be clear...

I was speaking about the common practice of reviewing something you have never laid eyes on...

Magicsquared

that's what your review felt like...

sorry...

calling a spade a spade...
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