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macc Loyal user 203 Posts |
Devin,
please send me a pm with the tracking information instead of an e-mail. did you allready ship the book? |
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
I haven't read all of these posts (nor the book), so sorry if someone already submitted this idea.
How about busting a cloud (making it disappear) and having a covered glass fill with it? See the video at: http://www.plasplasplas.com/shop/product......s_id=239 Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Terry,
EXCELLENT....thanks for the link. This is one of the cleverest ideas I've heard yet. Beautiful. Devin |
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Psy-Kosh Regular user Michigan 134 Posts |
Ooooh, yes, very nice. *checks price of effect* yow, not for me.
But still, very nice. And, given the right conditions, you could do it in reverse, use the smoke to put clouds in the sky. |
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
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On 2007-08-01 15:31, Psy-Kosh wrote: This is an old effect and there are other ways (cheaper) to do it - but this may be the safest and most effective. Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Eric Gretencord Regular user Houston, TX 170 Posts |
"Clouds in my coffee"
He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonder.
-M. C. Escher |
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Psy-Kosh Regular user Michigan 134 Posts |
I've finished Jerome's section, so thought I might put my initial thoughts on that.
First, I'll probably have to reread it a couple times (well, same for the whole book, but...) Overall, more cool thoughts, definately some principles to think about that would apply to far more than just cloudbusting. There're one or two places where, well, I'm not sure if it's an editing bugaboo or just me getting confused... Specifically, the bit about the 11th commandment. Is that supposed to refer to "don't abuse this" or is a line or something missing from that page? Also, another overall impression I got was that on the good side, Jerome suggests multiple references to research for various things he mentions... But the down side is that I almost feel that the book should have a note along the lines of while whatever your background you'll get something out of his section, it definately in areas seems to presupose the reader to already be well versed in various psych principles, NLP, and so on used in magic, so the reader with that background would get the most out of that section. ie, I know a teeny bit about NLP, for instance, but emphasis on teeny. (I ought to go and learn more, actually...) Again, either way this is great stuff, and I'll need to take some time to think it through, so don't let anything else I'm saying make it seem like I'm saying otherwise, just saying that anyone with that background would, I'd expect, would get more out of Jerome's section. Ooooh, story/presentation idea: Look up... then... "HEY! Get back here!" Look around at spectators. "see that 'cloud' up there? That's actually a genie. He owes me some wishes and instead ran off and is trying to hide from me. Fortunately, I've finally got his bottle/lamp/milk carton rigged to, hopefully, pull him back in from a distance." Unstop bottle/lamp or whatever and aim it at cloud and, well, suck the cloud in, possibly with some theatrics, and having the specs help ancor you to the ground so that you won't be dragged off by the genie. Maybe have the bottle set up so that afterwards a little voice will be heard inside yelling "hey! let me out!" or the bottle rattling on its own, or something. |
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
Hopefully tomorrow I'll be reading this, I'm dying here ;p
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Just a quick update. Jerome has sent out all of his books. As of today, all of my books have been sent out, both US and Overseas. For those who ordered from Tilford, as of today all of his orders have been sent out.
So if you haven't gotten your book yet, then rest assured it has been sent. Anyone in the USA will have their book in hand this week. Devin |
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Vinnie Laraway Inner circle 1272 Posts |
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On 2007-08-01 22:06, Blindside785 wrote: I'm with ya, buddy! :) -Vinnie |
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
Psy-Kosh and others,
I've said it before and will say it again here. If you (or anyone else) is not comfortable using my advanced techniques, stick with the basics as Devin has written them; there are two sections for a reason . After all is said and done, mine is a very suggestive form of cloud busting. Using these techniques will allow one to do most things from the book in a fraction of the normal time and to greater effect. It is ADVANCED work, and we've always said from the beginning that cloud busting is for the strong, competent performer. While it is true that a background in NLP and hypnotic techniques might assist with the material in my section, it is not a requisite. There is more than enough material there for ANYBODY to begin using my work with devastating results. Also, and this is not aimed at anyone in particular . . . I've got to express some concern about turning cloud busting into another magic trick. While others may have some great ideas, I see them going down a path that worries me. I've received PM's from people who want to incorporate sponge ball routines with cloud busting, as in transforming a cloud into a little white ball, etc. I have released the material knowing that others will do with it as they will. At the same time, the focus here is on a major PK effect and demonstration, and not one to be taken lightly. This is absolutely serious work, and so when I read things like the Genii in the bottle idea, to be honest, it makes me cringe a bit. Unless you are performing for children, nobody is going to believe that! It effectively reduces what I and Devin have worked so hard to share to a cheap magic trick. Please do not take this the wrong way! I just don't want to see "tricks" replace the hardcore PK demonstration that cloud busting is meant to be. It's the same type of thing when I see "metal bending" routines wherein a drawing of a spoon bends . . . it is ridiculous to say the least. It makes no sense and takes one of the strongest PK demonstrations in mentalism down a path that leads nowhere and falls flat in the end. This must not be the case with cloud busting, or I will forever regret releasing this work. I realize this may hurt some feelings, but cloud busting is a PK demonstration and best suited for the serious mentalist. That is not to say a magician cannot or should not perform it, just please, do not make it cheesy. If anyone has questions or concerns, please PM me, as this thread is for reviews. I'm suddenly very upset at the direction this is heading. LESS IS MORE! Cloud busting is not a magic trick . . . -Jerome.
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JustinCredible28 Loyal user Seattle 217 Posts |
I recieved mine on Monday I am just now only re-reading part one again (haven't started part two yet). I love how this turned out, you guys the cover is SUPER dreamy!!! Speaking of presentaional ideas, I was thinking about doing my busting while blowing a Dandelion away! Thanks again for making the book-of-the-century!(ies?)
Take care, --Justin--
"a distorted reality is now a necessity to be free. . ." -- Elliott Smith
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
I totally get what your saying. Anybody getting into cloudbusting should read that post from Jerome very carefully. Doing cloudbusting in my eyes anyway should be a feat, and not an easy one. Making it seem like a game just ruins the purpose.
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
Thank you, Justin. Glad you are enjoying the work. Sympathetic magic is something that can be very strong.
Best, J.
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
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On 2007-08-01 20:41, Psy-Kosh wrote: wow... what a terribe idea... let's not destroy this effect with an overly complicated presentation... stick to the hippity hop rabbits if that's the path you want to take...
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Vinnie Laraway Inner circle 1272 Posts |
...He's back!
Can we PLEASE not start this again!? -Vinnie |
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
This is the equivalent of the negative judge on a reality show...
The second they make a critical statement of some one elses work -- they get boo'd. I don't understand that mentality.... This is my opinion. Am I not entitled to it?
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
Hahah, Well he is on the right track...but the wrong direction. I'll support the thinking to the fullest but not that kind of effect.
Let us step back and remember what kind of emotion/effect this originally is supposed to take on to the spectators and the cloudbuster. Cloudbusting is a demonstration of mental power, when you take the cloudbusting into the story of a genii and that kind of theatrics it takes cloudbusting far from the pk demonstration it is meant to be to the realm of a magic trick. Just so people are clear on the differences. |
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
My point is...
this stuff is not for everyone... this kind of thinking is destructive...
xxx
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Psy-Kosh Regular user Michigan 134 Posts |
Sorry, I was just more throwing out thoughts as they occured to me.
I see what you mean though, I think, about that last thing perhaps being a bit much. Sorry. |
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