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kadz Regular user 187 Posts |
For those of you familiar with Homer Liwag's coin one...I'd like to ask, what are your thoughts on this :
You show one coin on your hand, and it then becomes two. Do you think it is better after the duplication that the top coin is forward, or the bottom coin is forward? My concern is that with the bottom coin forward, scientist spectators may think that "hey, perhaps he hid a 2nd coin underneath the coin on his hand" What do you coin experts think? Cheers |
Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Ehh I doubt that it will matter but for me the top coin tends to be a bit forward for ease of execution
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Fingers Inner circle Pennsylvania, USA 1330 Posts |
Personally I don't think it makes a difference. If you follow the routine as per the DVD you flip the single coin in the air previous to that step, which helps demonstrate the fact there is only one coin in that hand. I believe that is at least part of the reason that step is there and should suffice if the remainder of the routine is executed properly.....
Where I go, so do my coins.....
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feher Inner circle Michigan 1421 Posts |
If someone is looking and thinking that closely then you never had a chance from the begining.
It does'nt matter ethier they like it or they don't. If the routine is entertaining even a skeptic won't notice because you have caught there attention. I hope that makes sense....... Magic is more then just moves its about entertaining. Its all about the jouney of a trick not the end result. Good luck Tim
Mean people SUCK!!!!!!!
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magicandsoul Loyal user 263 Posts |
The design of the effect would demand a forward slide...top most forward.
It matters...just not to everyone. M&S |
feher Inner circle Michigan 1421 Posts |
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On 2007-07-30 22:12, magicandsoul wrote: So would the effect be lacking if the coins end up reversed??? I agree the trick leads itself to the top coin being foward. But I don't think the question was about which way should he do it, it was more about which way is more deceptive. Which I don't feel it matters does it???? They are both equally deceptive top coin foward or bottom coin foward. Tim Tim
Mean people SUCK!!!!!!!
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dai_vernon Veteran user 321 Posts |
Details make perfection, but perfection is no detail.
-Da Vinci later, Eric |
Griff Loyal user Florida 285 Posts |
I agree with Feher. This effect is (should) be so visually startling that they will not notice that. If you can present this in an entertaining way, they will not even have the chance to notice any discrepencies. This is really no different than doing a simple Elmsley Count (will they notice the 2 Aces of hearts)? Just my op.
Cheers, Griff |
travisb Special user Vancouver, BC 546 Posts |
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On 2007-07-30 22:12, magicandsoul wrote: Why? -Travis |
kardillusions Special user Calgary, AB 541 Posts |
Here's something interesting. Chris Kenner describes the move in his routine THE DEEP (from his book), where the coin in view before the "multiplication" is actually given a bit of help towards the PALM of the hand, and the second coin takes the place of the first. This Gives it the appearance that the coin in view never moves, and the one closer to the palm is the one that APPEARS.
Who does it like this? Scott. |
Fingers Inner circle Pennsylvania, USA 1330 Posts |
I agree with Griff. The production of the second coin should be so overwhelming to the spectator that the exact placement of the coins in the end is irrelevant. I actually end with the top most coin forward mostly, but I would like to ask why Magicandsoul thinks the routine "demands" this myself. I don't know, maybe I am missing something here.....
Hi Scott and good question.....
Where I go, so do my coins.....
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magicandsoul Loyal user 263 Posts |
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On 2007-07-31 07:03, Fingers wrote: You're displaying coins to a spectator that is in front of you. The coins are in your hands. Your hands are so very slightly angled which would cause the top coin to slide forward. It is akin to fanning a stack of 3 silver dollars at your fingertips a-la 3fly and displaying them. Go ahead, grab your coins, go to the mirror and spread 3 coins vertically to yourself. Looks good right?...now reverse the spread. see what I mean? M&S |
Fingers Inner circle Pennsylvania, USA 1330 Posts |
Very interesting Magicandsoul. I went to the mirror like you asked and I understand where you are coming from. I guess its true, you learn something every day, Thank you.....
Where I go, so do my coins.....
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kadz Regular user 187 Posts |
Now I find it easier if the bottom coin appears forward. If the top coin is forward, is it because
1. The original coin is pushed forward, and the hidden coin now is sitting where the original coin was before? (Not sure if this was what Scott meant when he described "The Deep" from chris kenners' book) or 2. The original coin doesn't move, and the hidden coin actually lands in front and on top? |
Jan Redman New user Berlin, Germany 37 Posts |
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On 2007-07-31 03:33, kardillusions wrote: I do. In fact I was quite surprised when I saw Homer on Coin One teach it the way he did. The flash production from the DVD is easier and more sure fire, but the one from Kenner's book looks more magical imo. It is a bit knacky though to achieve the illusion you described and requires a softer and more delicate movement of the wrist. |
h_A_Z Special user Ireland/Msia 701 Posts |
I personally don't perform the one coin to 2 coin production because it is too expose (due to my rather small fingers). I only do it to produce the third coin because I'll more cover with two coins. Does anyone think that doing two "visual productions" gives the audience ideas on where it came from? I never thought of that until someone I performed to mentioned it to me.
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Fingers Inner circle Pennsylvania, USA 1330 Posts |
I have performed "CoinOne" a few times for some small groups of people and haven't had a problem with them expecting anything h_A_Z. If the coin is popped into place nice and crisply, I find it tends to be a stunning display to the spectators I have shown it to and they have no clue.
I did make some additions to the routine, which makes it totally awesome from the beginning to the end, at least in my opinion. I installed Rannie's "Invisible Muscle Pass" for the first coins travel to the other hand and I worked in Charlies "Stealth Dump" to the end it. When you put it all together into the "CoinOne" routine it makes for a real treat to the spectator. Expect to see the spectators eyes bulge..... "CoinOne" can definately be a stand alone routine to perform. However, with the additions I made, it makes for quite a packaged performance for the spectator to see. There is always something going on to pack a powerful punch and amaze them. I would recommend to everyone to consider the additions.....
Where I go, so do my coins.....
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Fingers Inner circle Pennsylvania, USA 1330 Posts |
One thing I forgot to add. If you make the addition of Charlie's "Stealth Dump" at the end of the "CoinOne" routine it not only makes for a great finish, but allows you to end the routine clean.....
Where I go, so do my coins.....
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