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Titanas V.I.P. 1995 Posts |
Can't say more...
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Jazz Veteran user Mexico City 377 Posts |
If it is the same method used by CA, then I don´t like it. I hope it´s not and it´s something different
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Matthew W Inner circle New York 2456 Posts |
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On 2007-08-07 19:47, Drew Manning wrote: If you look at the side views of the upper half, it seems really thick, and odd shaped. I think the method uses a position like the one in the transparent sawing in half, I don't want to say too much as to expose the method. I remember reading somewhere that in kevins act, the table with the legs that walk was taken off stage before the the body could be put back together. If you remember on AGT the person jumped after the restoration, which seems impossible with the criss angel method. If I said too much, feel free to delete this post.
-Matt
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magicofCurtis Inner circle Los Angeles 2545 Posts |
If you watch the video again Kevin James holds the mild section when he is lifting the restore body off the table... Also, when the man jumps, the man holds the center area of his body...
This all looks natural but, I think it is the key to the trick not falling apart...
Curtis Lovell II
http://www.CurtisLovell.com http://www.MagicofCurtis.com www.facebook.com/curtislovellii Los Angeles, California - U.S.A. |
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
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On 2007-08-08 15:39, magicofCurtis wrote: The problem with that is that a person "like that" cannot be made to jump and move around like a whole person no matter what. The man that stands up at the end is a full man...no doubt about that. |
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
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On 2007-08-08 19:22, dpe666 wrote: I am pretty sure that is why he doesn't turn to run off stage, just backs off stage. Why doesn't he just get up instead of turning the table around? Lastly if you were to watch his earlier version of it you will see the top half run away backstage on his hands. Whenever I am asked about this from people I show them both and they figure it out immediately. I think that you are right both are getting paid. Free will is a great. I just don't think that it is right. It is a freak show to me, plain and simple. In CA's version you can actually make out the lady's so called legs as she crawls away. |
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magicofCurtis Inner circle Los Angeles 2545 Posts |
I think this verson is very deceptive....... It had me scratching my head when the body first lifted up off the table..... I think the CA version is kinda self explained......
Curtis Lovell II
http://www.CurtisLovell.com http://www.MagicofCurtis.com www.facebook.com/curtislovellii Los Angeles, California - U.S.A. |
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Christian Illusionist Special user Ohio (currently located in Missouri) 503 Posts |
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On 2007-08-09 22:51, magicofCurtis wrote: First of all, let me say that the following post is in no way meant as instruction to Curtis. I write it in order to prove a point to those with less experience. You have to remind yourself that as a magician, you no longer think like everyone else out there. The more you are involved with magic, the more your mind is trained to 'backwards engineer' methods to the effects you see. Angles, movements, props, that look ordinary or less than suspicious to the normal layman are suddenly red flags in your mind. In all honesty, I have had ignorant people make reference to the sawing done by Criss Angel when they were trying to make a case as to why they think he is heavily involved in the occult. Sure, there will be some people who will catch on, but the majority will live in blissful ignorance.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
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On 2007-08-10 03:42, Christian Illusionist wrote: You are right. It is a great illusion. It just doesn't seem right, that is all I am saying. It isn't like we are back in the 1930s where people had to make do with whatever they could to put food on their tables. That is why we see the the freak show emerging around this time. I just believe we are blessed in a time where we have many illusions at our disposal, we shouldn't be using freak show tactics to get an applause. Yeah these people are working but you can say the same about prostitution. |
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The Drake Inner circle 2274 Posts |
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On 2007-08-10 10:38, BYUDAD wrote: It IS an illusion and this person plays their part no more or less than a thin girl plays her part in so many other illusions. She has a physical ability to do things regards bases that many others don't. The same goes for this guy. If he were on display as " John Smith... living half man" then that would be a freak show. Instead he is an actor in a theatrical presentation playing a role. He is playing the part of a full sized man being cut in two and not being displayed as a " half man". I never heard anyone call Kenny Baker a freak when he played R2D2. To pull that illusion off they needed a very small man and Kenny took the part. David Prowse got the role of Darth Vader because they needed a large man to create the effect. How is that any different from this job of a " half man"??? If we deny this man the chance to play his part then that is indeed discriminating against him. Best, Tim |
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Drew Manning Special user Dallas, Texas 913 Posts |
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Yeah these people are working but you can say the same about prostitution. Well, hookers take what nature gave them and made a living with it. Same as the guy in the illusion. In both cases, it's consenting adults knowing full well what they're doing and choosing to do so for paying customers.
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Just like those poured by my bartender vice Any taste of vermouth would be really sublime, When you have a good martini time! -The Reverend Horton Heat |
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freefallillusion1 Elite user Cincinnati, OH 446 Posts |
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Yeah these people are working but you can say the same about prostitution. Not true at all. I don't think the person in this illusion is doing something that will result in diseases being spread and marriages being broken up. Tim is exactly right when he says that these folks are doing something that they alone are able to do. As magicians, it is a fact that we exploit every strange nuance of our bodies. If I had a finger that could bend into a really weird position, would I take magical advantage of that if possible? You'd better believe I would, as would every one of us! As for the "Freak" shows, what I find interesting is that most of these people (half girl, etc.) are very outspoken in that they had total control over what they did and that they did it by their choice alone. If you don't believe that, watch an interview with Jeanie Tomaine, the half girl. She talks of how people constantly were trying to "rescue" her, and that she never understood that because all she was doing was earning a living (and usually a better living than the "rescuers")! Phil |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I know about the woman Criss Angel worked with. She was an audience member at one of his performances and wanted to meet him after the show. I was there with them and when he asked her if she'd like to perform an illusion with him she was THRILLED.
Don't read psycho-babble into these situations. I also know one of the guys that works with Kevin and again, a happy guy to be working in show biz.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
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On 2007-08-10 12:33, Drew Manning wrote: Good point. This will bring up another arguement. You can't help the hand that you are dealt in life. This is true. The "half person" has got to make money just like anyone else. I don't deny this. Now if I were to say that there are people born into poverty that want to be magicians. They can't help it but when the chance comes along for them to buy a ripp off because this is all that they can afford, we crucify them. Remember not everyone is born the same or under the same circumstances. Not everyone can afford $7-9K for an origami illusion. After all the people who buy ripp offs are consenting and choosing to do so for paying customers. |
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The Drake Inner circle 2274 Posts |
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On 2007-08-10 14:51, BYUDAD wrote: LOL... Apples and Oranges. The performer in Kevins effect is not stealing anything. This thread is currently about a persons right to perform in a show how he wants to. If you want to discuss a persons right to steal the Origami please take that issue over to the Origami thread. Best, Tim |
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Harry H Inner circle 1526 Posts |
Moan moan moan.
Get a life people.why not email Kevin James and ask him if he exploite dlittle people? Then contact Ken Dodd too.He had loads! |
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magicofCurtis Inner circle Los Angeles 2545 Posts |
HMM I just rewatched the video.... And I did not see the gun pointing at the half man making him perform this trick...
This guy played his role.... He was a star...... I bet he was pleased..... I have a doubled jointed thumb where I can pop it out of the socket with ease.... I show people I slide out of handcuffs if I pop-out my joint.... People freak out and they think that I am useing legit cuffs.... (more to it) As magicians, I would like to think we use all our skills and resources.....!!!!
Curtis Lovell II
http://www.CurtisLovell.com http://www.MagicofCurtis.com www.facebook.com/curtislovellii Los Angeles, California - U.S.A. |
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Slappy Loyal user North Hollywood, CA 266 Posts |
Here's a shocker, ready for this? They've been using amputees and other handi-capables in the movie business for years as accident victims and war wounded, etc.
Nothing new nor unusual.
"Help, I've got a silver ball stuck on my thumb"
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The Drake Inner circle 2274 Posts |
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On 2007-08-10 17:10, Slappy wrote: I remember watching " Ben Hur " years ago and when a ship is rammed the slaves are all abandoning ship. One of the injured has lost his wrist and hand in the battle. You see him come out of the ship injured and get a good look at a bone sticking out from the arm. It was of course a person who had no hand with a fake bone stub and some makeup applied to his arm. Yet another example of a certain person required to achieve the effect. No different than Kevins assistant. Best, Tim |
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Harry H Inner circle 1526 Posts |
Ken Dodd is unavailable for comment.
But Dicky Mint said it's a lot of fuss about nothing. |
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