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Fingers Inner circle Pennsylvania, USA 1330 Posts |
I don't know if I should mention this, but it is a gesture of mine, which I developed on my own and use at times, critical times, to hide the fact I am going into classic palm. The reason I am not sure I should mention it is one, it isn't what you might call a "typical" type gesture and two, who knows maybe someone already uses it. I do know it works pretty good for me and its a type of gesture I use to just talk, talk with my hands, so sometimes I will use the gesture to classic palm and sometimes I will use the gesture without classic palming, just to talk with.
I really have no problem using Mr. Roth's method of classic palming, but the method I use is when I want to get into classic palm very quickly and without notice in kind of a slick way. There is a stereotype that Italians talk with their hands, its that type of gesturing and atmosphere your mindset should lean towards..... When I explain what you do, at first it may sound like a very unnatural type movement, but actually its quite the opposite, when used to convey the patter you may use in a routine..... This is done just before you are prepared to go into classic palm, but haven't done so yet. What I do is take both my hands and close them into fists as I bring them inward towards my chest one fist over the other in a pretty quick motion, the fist with the coin to be classic palmed on the bottom. However, I have used this to classic palm a coin in each hand at the same time too. As I do this the coin is classic palmed and your thumb is towards your chest under the other fist, so it really doesn't matter what your thumb looks like at this point, because no one can see it and then I throw both my hands out uncrossing them and totally opening my palm down hands spread wide, fingers and everything, trying to make sure both hands look identical, but now the coin in question is classic palmed in the one hand. When the hands are thrown outward it should be at a point where you are emphasising something during your patter. This is done as a natural movement while pattering, the patter can be just straight talk and whatever applies to the situation. I hope I explained it right, so you can understand that it is quite a bold movement, but done in a very meek manner..... I do this type gesture throughout my performance either when I am classic palming or even when not, just as a type of gesture I use when speaking and explaining something. Used in this manner when you see me use this type gesture I may be classic palming a coin or I just may be talking or pattering explaining something and not classic palming. The gesture is used in a very natural way when done as I would call "properly" and is to look as though you are just talking with your hands. I use this gesture often through my routines, so the spectators are used to seeing it, it becomes normal movement on my part to them, so when I use it to classic palm it looks no different to them, they just think I am conveying my thoughts in my "normal" manner. I hope this makes sense, because it works wonderfully for me. I don't use it all the time I go into classic palm, but when its convenient and I think it would look natural during the routine.....
Where I go, so do my coins.....
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I agree that Bertini uses CP well.
Not so sure his coin transfers work at a less than frenetic pace though, and I for one don't like to get frenetic or agitated anymore.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Lawrens Godon Inner circle France 1108 Posts |
Jon, you can use Giacomo's transfers at your own pace!
Yes they work for everyone...Eventhough he uses them with relative fast gestures, this is the way which works for his presentation imho. The CP system he created and the corresponding tranfers can be done very slowly, at least this works for me. ^^ As for naturalness in CP...I think that one who spent many years with coins in hands develops idiomatic and personal gestures...if those gestures are really part of the natural behavior, I don't see the problem... Concerning a beginner, I second the "listen to the masters" advice above!! |
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Chad Barnard Special user Mt. Airy, NC 763 Posts |
I just started watched David Stone's Basic Coin Magic Vol. I and his first rule of classic palming is to be sure to keep the thumb touching the forefinger. I'm only a couple of minutes in, at most, so I'll have to keep an eye out for the weird movement that Larry talks about above.
I just thought I'd put this on because now three greatly respected coin men (Roth, Ammar and Stone) have made a point to steer the beginner away from thumb movement when practicing classic palm. At first I thought I'd never be able to do it without my thumb moving, since I started my training with MCM (DVD) and got used to doing it that way, but through observant practice it is now gone. I'd recommend any beginner to follow in the footsteps of the three coin men mentioned above. |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
It has certainly made a huge difference in my CP! HOWEVER, as I mentioned in another post somewhere, David's CP is so natural looking I'd need dbl side tape to emulate it!
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Chad Barnard Special user Mt. Airy, NC 763 Posts |
Hey we all have our secrets
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feher Inner circle Michigan 1421 Posts |
Don't worrie about the thumb thing....now you know so you are more aware of it.
CP while you are doing something else or while the hand is in motion. Just don't do a vanish and right away try to CP give a little time delay before going into classic palm. If you have Roth's tape you'll see what I mean. Tim
Mean people SUCK!!!!!!!
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Gary Yin Elite user Sabah, Malaysia 449 Posts |
Well, if your hand that's doing the CP. You must have a magic wand for it. The thumb shooting up isn't seen because your doing something with the hand(magic wand).
These are a few magic wands: Magic wand(-_-),Pointing,Tossing,Holding a cup,Tug the sleeves....tug sleeve you need the thumb so..... By doing these kinds of stuff the thumb movement can be covered. But practically purpose, it's still a good habit to let the thumb touching the index. Gary |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Let me elaborate on what most impresses me about DR's CP..... it not only looks so natural doing things with or without a "magic wand" but his hands lay SO flat on the table! I'm getting my CP looking purdy fair but going flat still feels like an impossibly for me! Oh well, the journey is still a blast!
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Chad Barnard Special user Mt. Airy, NC 763 Posts |
I know this is an old post, but I just received "Al Schneider on Coins" from Mr. Schneider today and was amused to see in Chapter II this concerning the Classic Palm:
"Be careful not to allow thumb to stick out away from the hand while moving the coin to palm position, but hold it along side the hand." So that's four heavyweights in magic expressly pointing out to avoid this action. It seems to be more important than some realize. |
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
Funny, I was just re-watching David Roth's tapes earlier today, so it's fresh in my mind. One of the reasons that his hands look so good after the classic palm is that he, more often than not, drops the coin to FTR as his hands go to the table.
Also, let's not forget Bobo. The grip should be light enough so the coin would drop if the hand were tapped. This is something to think about when pressing the coin into classic palm. It takes very little pressure. |
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Fingers Inner circle Pennsylvania, USA 1330 Posts |
You make a very good point Nicholas. One of the biggest problems I had with the classic palm in the beginning is that I maintained the thought you really had to apply a lot of pressure to hold the coin in place. I later realized it only took a very minimal amount of pressure to do the job and since then my classic palm has improved greatly. The less pressure you apply the more natural the hand can look.....
Where I go, so do my coins.....
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