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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
Most magicians know these two effects, but for newbies I hope this will come as a big help. And for those newbies, these two effects are very popular, and some magicians consider (the invisible deck at least) to be the best card trick of all time.
These two effects mechanically work on the same principal. A spectator verbally names ANY card (free choice, no forces), and the magician ultimately reveals the card in the following fashions: ***Invisible Deck: The magician slowly thumbs through each card in a *face-up* deck, and only one card is face down. This is the spectators named card. ***Brainwave: The magician slowly thumbs through each card in a *face-down* deck, say a blue-backed deck. Not only is the spectators named card the only one face-up, it is removed and it has a RED BACK. To me, and many others I believe, the Invisible Deck wins hands down. This is because the Brainwave has an overkill the magic. It offers more of a climax, but it goes too far. Even if I did perform this, I would hold back on showing the different coloured back. It crosses the border of respect - because spectators will know for sure the deck is gimmicked. Therefore you would just be using a reversed invisible deck which would be on a more level playing field. You would only want to do magic with what seems to be an ungaffed deck of cards. Then again, while writing this post, I thought of a way to make the Brainwave a little more realistic. You could explain before the effect that there is just ONE card in this deck with a different coloured back, and you want the spectator to try and guess it (or for mentalists, send a mental image across). Then perform the brainwave, already establishing the fact there is ONE red-backed card in a blue-backed deck. Prior to revealing the card, you could also make a spin that you will do more than just that. You will have the card turn itself face-up as well. The only problem with this is, you have watered down an the element of surprise by showing the different coloured back. But at least it generates respect this way. I guess it all comes down to presentation to take out the overkill of the brainwave. If one were just to perform it without this care, it loses respect. The Invisible Deck is also important to carry on you at all times as an "out" for another messed up card trick. Say you actually were incorrect with revealing a card, or something went horribly wrong in another effect, you could pull out your Invisible Deck impromptu - and reveal it this way. Many magicians get themselves out of embarrasment with this.
"Great Scott the Magician", Gippsland
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Tone Elite user 423 Posts |
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On 2007-08-11 20:10, scottds80 wrote: Maybe a bit of vagueness about the card would help the Brainwave overkill? Like- "I will try to make you think of a card. There is one card in this deck that I am thinking of." etc After the initial turned over card revelation, the performer states that when trying this before, some people were skeptical. That's why this time he put the card upside down AND used one from a different colored deck. |
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Carlos the Great Inner circle California 1234 Posts |
I've never cared for a full deck brainwave. I have a deck that I bought YEARS ago that still sits in my storage box. I think it is an instance where the clarity of the effect is lost due to multiple things going on (upside down, different deck, etc.).
I also think a face-up spread seems more open and fair to spectators. 8-card brainwave is great in this regard. Finally, I also agree with Darwin Ortiz in that Brainwave sacrifices any sense of suspense (by showing the card face-up in a face down deck instead of face down in a face up deck). Brainwave does institute a stranger back element but, again, no real suspense is built up. Those are just my thoughts, props to people who like it, it just isn't for me. -C
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Tone Elite user 423 Posts |
Not a fave of mine, either.
Invisible Deck is much stronger. |
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Sandwichical Regular user Phoenix 134 Posts |
Agreed! Also I believe the handling of the Invisible deck is much more open. My Invisible deck has also never once come under suspicion. I've never had anyone ask to take a look at the deck.
To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave.
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RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
I too prefer the ID.However,it so well known even with non magi,it absolutely must [IMO] be disguised within a routine...at the very least being... the prior use of an identical regular deck,and switching in the ID.Same goes for Svengali D.
Sandwhichical:Respectfully,I disagree.I perform in multi restaurants weekly and,have had to alter my ID presentation due to conversations I sometimes used to overhear after I left a table.Just because they don't call you on it,doesn't mean they are not discussing it after you are gone.Much better to leave no explanation. Rich |
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darrylasher Regular user 179 Posts |
I like both, but I disagree that the Brainwave is overkill. When I last did it regularly (::ahem:: years ago), I would say that I knew beforehand what card would be called out, then I showed the face up card. Then I would say something along the lines of "I used to do this trick, and people liked it, but then they would end up not convinced that I actually knew the card ahead. They thought I had way more sleight of hand skill than I actually do, and thought I somehow turned the card over as I was taking them out of the case, or thumbing through them. (pause) So I started using a card from a different deck (turn card over)." That would always get a great response. Having a pause between showing the card and then the back, provides a real "kicker" to the effect.
The invisible deck is great for another reason and that the routine. Having a spectator mime choosing a card, looking at it, turning over, etc. is always entertaining, and there is no need or logic to have a different colored back in that routine. I used to carry an invisible deck with me all the time, and a matching ungimmicked deck to switch. Nothing fancy, I'd just put it in my pocket, then remember I wanted to show another trick and hand the deck to someone to shuffle. I don't think one is better than the other. They are two entirely different routines, in my opinion. |
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donkeys and waffles Loyal user From Florida but all over US now.... 294 Posts |
The ID deck has always worked well for me. It is the only gaffed deck that I use. I hate having 3 or 5 decks of cards but make the exception for the ID.
I think the brainwave is a bit overkill too. I like the idea of the suspense of turning over the face down card. The spectators are ripping their eyes through the face up cards trying to find theirs and bam, there is the one face down card. The build up and anticipation is sometimes over the top with some. Maybe diff variations of Brainwave would be nice but I never explored it. It is magical in its own way but I think the dif colored back screams gaff.
3 people can keep a secret if two of them are dead... Benjamin Franklin
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djtreborz New user 1 Post |
I love both effects, for me you can't compare both gimmick decks 'coz they have different approach even comes with same effect. What I mean is not just tryin' to use both by naming a chosen card but applying or using it with other effects on other routines. An example in a brainwave or ID, I use regular deck for spreading cards on a billiard table, upon shooting billiard balls and a chosen cue ball fell on a specific card, then pull out ID says you have predicted it, while in BD you cango for another approach like vanishing the card that has chosen, tellin them that it was in the deck the whole time facin' upward with other cards.Hope you guys get what I mean... =)
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jonxodus Veteran user San Diego, CA 320 Posts |
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On 2007-09-23 02:07, djtreborz wrote: Looks like you got that idea from JBBenn |
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gmmagic124 Special user 751 Posts |
Invisible deck is like old faithful to me.
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
Another vote for the dependable Invisible Deck!
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler |
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Glogal Regular user Hollywood, California 155 Posts |
"The incredible 'Invisible Deck'...awesome!
Gigi |
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Don Sautter New user Arizona 58 Posts |
To each his/her own but I believe you can overcome those challenges mentioned with the brainwave deck by doing a correct routine as has been mentioned above.
I believe the brainwave routine that Whit Haydn offers is outstanding and well thought out. It is included in his "Chicago Surprise" booklet. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Nice to carry an Invisible Deck, and instead of the Brainwave Deck go with the B'wave trick. It's a break from the deck stuff and absolutely kills, giving you the compact feel of the Brainwave deck with only 4 cards and much more powerful. And it could be used in a magical way or as a hit'em hard mentalist effect, which I recommend. -Mb
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
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On 2007-09-14 14:56, Carlos the Great wrote: Carlos, Nicely put. That about sums it up for me. Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
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Gilgamesh_The_Librarian Elite user 408 Posts |
Hmm, this was alluded to in an earlier post but I think a lot of specs with the ID tend to assume you have just pulled some clever sleight of hand whereas the Brainwave pretty much rules that idea out.
I tend to use BWave and do it as a bit of mentalist effect. I have the deck (in its box) in a brown envelope which the spectator holds and on the front of the envelope is a picture of one of those hypnotic spirals. I tell the spectator to look at the spiral for a few seconds and then tell me if they think they have been influenced at all. When they assure me they haven't I ask them to name any card ( with a bit of play where I ask them to look at the spiral again and see if they want to change their mind) I then take the envelope, open it and pull out the deck with their card reversed. The different colour back proves the mental effect and removes any thought of sleight. Its important to have an approach like this with the B'wave to stop the "too perfect" problems that would put the heat on the deck. So its B'Wave for me |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
IMHO one is much easier to manage for tablehopping than the other.
"...thanks. Before I go to the next table would you put your finger on a card. Okay let put that in upside down and see if that's the one they think of later..."
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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wjkrysak Regular user Atlanta 152 Posts |
I use my ID mid show with great response. My set includes a card effect earlier in the show with spectator handling and followed by another free handling. A keeper <smile>
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TheTableTopTrixta Special user 708 Posts |
I LOVE the ID - one of the greatest tricks ever and I say that because after many years of performance this kills EVERY time
one question though - who created the ID???? |
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