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Jaime
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Derren Brown's Devil's Picturebook. Check it out. Amazingly the Psychological Force that mentions using on Women as worked for me almost everytime. No Lie!

Same here. I only did it twice, worked great the two times, and got me an incredible reaction one of the two times - and a good reaction the other time.
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On 2007-08-26 11:39, mescalitoeyes wrote:
Laura - I don't really finger flash, but more draw the number with my finger...


A bit of both helps, I think.

Also telling them NOT to think of a card, but instead let it "appear in their mind" helps.

Has anyone tried venturing away from 3 or 4?

Another frequent problem I've had is with the spec closing their eyes...
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On 2007-08-26 14:08, ToneVulgara wrote:
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On 2007-08-26 11:39, mescalitoeyes wrote:
Laura - I don't really finger flash, but more draw the number with my finger...


A bit of both helps, I think.

Also telling them NOT to think of a card, but instead let it "appear in their mind" helps.

Has anyone tried venturing away from 3 or 4?




I've attempted most numbers...I find seven and nine the hardest. Plus my makeshift sign for Spades is a little clunky.

If you watch Devil's Picturebook there's the 3D force which is quite blantant, especially the "make a screen" stuff (which I've been caught on before)...and then that's followed by a demonstration of the 4H force which is a more evolved, and more subtle force. I'm trying to get mine all as smooth as the latter.

Do people find that it's necessary to get your gestures to coincide with phrases like "imagine a suit", or can the two lines of communication, conscious and unconscious, be carried out independently?
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On 2007-08-26 15:05, LauraCalder wrote:

I've attempted most numbers...I find seven and nine the hardest.



I'm surprised.
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This may interest you... depends how much you want to understand about suggestion.. http://www.sidis.net/pscontents.htm
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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On 2007-08-26 17:46, Andini wrote:
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I've attempted most numbers...I find seven and nine the hardest.


I'm surprised.



How so?


Mescalitoeyes, thanks for that link. I've only finished the first third of it but that dissertation is a fantastic and fascinating read. Nice to see some studied academic work on something I was theorising about in my head.

If you have any other links to academic works on the topic please post them.
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On 2007-08-26 18:11, mescalitoeyes wrote:
This may interest you... depends how much you want to understand about suggestion.. http://www.sidis.net/pscontents.htm

One would think that there are more recent works regarding this topic than a 110 year old article!?
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ToneVulgara... there are plenty.. this just happens to be a good one.. Smile
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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Yeah, very good resource there, actually.

It seems that many recent works on suggestion are within the bouds of the huge "self-help" genre; nice to see an academic approach!
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Docc Hillford teaches a force of the six of clubs on his Real Mind Reading dvd.
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On 2007-08-13 11:32, cougar261084 wrote:
I have both pure effect and devils picturebook,


I would go for devils picture book it has everything pure effect has and more.

his force for the three of diamonds, I thought it was bullocks, I tried it and tried it and I failed and failed.



As did I, until I realised what I was doing wrong. Now when I perform it, I hit it well over 50% of the time and the majority of the other times I manage to get within 2 cards (i.e the spectator picks 4D or 5D).

I don't know if this will help, but I always started with 'Think of a card...' and then went into the spiel. Turns out, at that point they had already decided and I was unsuccesfully trying to change there mind. Now I start with, 'You can see a playing card, but not what is on the card, just the outline of the rectangle (draw a diamond)....' etc etc, and it works much better.
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I find it peculiar, posts of this sort in that the method should already be known to anyone that's studied our craft for more than a year. What's left is to look at what we have "learned" and see how to apply it to our situation.

I've worked with a psych force using a playing card since before I knew such things existed. . . sort of. I think it was Glen Falkenstein that pointed me "at a rarely used bit of psychology" way back in the 80's before all this stuff was so much a buzz term. I say it this way so you can understand how long these techniques have actually been around but too, if you read the old books on mentalism, authors hint at the method without ever explaining it or else, they look at it as being a "normal" part of things. . . I believe it was Will Dexter and a man named Schantz that gave me a ton of insight at first -- enough that allowed me to come up with my own force method, which really boiled down to being a variation to Equivique with the "free range" option at the end.

We over complicate things sometimes because we want to be cunning and cool vs. pragmatic. It's simply not that hard to figure something like this out once you've absorbed the ground work -- the handful of basic theories & principles that ALL Psychological & Demographic based forces are based on. So turn on your right brain a bit more and get creative -- a bit of time, experimentation and meditation on the issue WILL give you the right answer.
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Bard, it's funny where you can run across this kind of stuff. I picked up a book this weekend at a used book store. It's a book by Martin Gardner of mathematical games and puzzles. He mentions in passing a particular bit of wordplay that will "usually" force someone to think of the number 37. I'm sure someone is selling an eBook for $5 somewhere that explains how to do this, too!
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