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The Amazing Noobini
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Ok... a little later:

What I don't understand is how you prevent your mind from going via the stack number. You can't very well stop an instant thought process like that from happening, can you?

Seems like I can instantly "see" the next and previous card for the first and last few cards, but with most of the ones in the middle my brain skips to the stack number, then to the next number and back again to the card. It is very fast tho. Yet not ideal after all it seems.

I never learned the entire deck in order to begin with because I didn't want to get stuck only knowing them in sequence.

Maybe I'll be able to skip the sidetrack thought if I just try long enough.

Kind of annoying now that I thought I was the Aronson Stack champion of the world. back to the drawing board. Oh well. I like using my brain from time to time.
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On 2007-10-25 15:46, The Amazing Noobini wrote:
What I don't understand is how you prevent your mind from going via the stack number. You can't very well stop an instant thought process like that from happening, can you?

One word: practice.

I'm in much the same position as you, but I'm finding that as I practice more I more easily go from a specific card directly to its neighbors rather than detouring through the stack numbers.
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In that case I will indeed focus on this form of practice for a while. I'm sure I will benefit greatly from it. It is actually refreshing to have a new way of going through the deck. I usually go through once from number to face and once from face to number, every few weeks. It is a boring old ritual for me. So something new is welcome. Smile
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Noobini, Yes that is what happening to me when I try to recall the previous and next card of the flashed cards.

If anybody has tips as to how to practice this it would be great.

I know the stack, I just can't seem to get the mental conversion out of my mind.
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Some practice drills:
No deck is needed for these and you can do them while walking, driving, waiting in lines, etc.

1. Speed drill. Simply name the cards from Jack of Spades to Nine of Diamonds, in order, as quickly as you can. Try not to think of the stack numbers, but use them if necessary. Remember to also reverse the process and name them backwards from the Nine of Diamonds to the Jack of Spades. This will be of great value when you know one card and want to know one of the adjacent cards. It also will be of great help when you call the cards in the effect: Histed Heisted.

2. Drilling from numbers to Cards. Think of the number one and name the card at that number. Then do the number 11, followed by 21, 31, 41, and 51. Then do the number 2, followed by 12, 22, 32, 42, and 52. Repeat with 3, 13, 23, 33, and 43. Then do the 4's, 5's, 6's, 7's, 8's, 9's and the 0's.

3. Drilling from Cards to Numbers. Name the stack number for the AC, 2C, 3C, and so on up to the KC. Then do the Hearts, the Spades, and the Diamonds.

I've been working with the Aronson Stack for about 11 years, now, and those three drills are my minimum session. I do them at least once every day. It only takes a few minutes and it's usually done at times when I wouldn't be doing anything else anyway.

When you do want to work with the deck, simply cut the deck and glimpse the bottom card. Name the top card, and then name the card 2nd from the bottom. Cut again and repeat as often as you like.

On my web site there's an interesting game of Solitaire explained. It was created by Mary Mowder and it drills you in the Aronson Stack. (Or whatever memdeck you're using.) You start with a shuffled deck and you will end up with the deck stacked.

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Great! Thank you Dennis! You always come through for us newbies with the right answers and advice for our stack questions!

I will try all of this!
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In case some were not aware, my (free) StackView software has a built-in stack quizzer (called StackView Test) that allows for adjacent card testing. When you set all of the parameters of the test design to "random," you get a really great mental workout. In addition, the timer helps you monitor progress.

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I recommend Nick Pudar's StackView software very highly. Yes, it contains a great set of drills for memdeck users. But there's also so much more. Go to Nick's site at http://www.stackview.com right away and download this program! If you work with cards, you'll never regret it.
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I recommend Nick Pudar's StackView software very highly. Yes, it contains a great set of drills for memdeck users. But there's also so much more. Go to Nick's site at http://www.stackview.com right away and download this program! If you work with cards, you'll never regret it.
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Nicks Stackview is great.

A good all round practice workout, is to try to cut to each card in sequence, say AS, 2S, 3S etc. Use whatever means necessary to get the card exact, DLs TLs color changes etc

This is great mem-deck & estimation practice, and you still need an out to fix your estimation so it helps you to think on your feet.
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As a Mac user I have unfortunately never been able to use Stackview. Which is a shame. All discussions on stack work eventually comes back to that word: Stackview.

The Loomis practice drills mentioned above are great as well! I have actually only tried them a few times as I tend to forget that it's possible to practice without deck in hand.

And now this refreshing sequence cutting "game" appears. I like it! I haven't been able to sufficiently practice cutting because I have simply found it so boring to just think of a card and cut and then think of another card and cut, etc.

It's been six months since I have had a chance to try a memorized deck effect on someone. I find that while the tricks I knew needs to be re-read, the stack knowledge itself lives on in my memory as long as I run through the deck once or twice every month or so.
"Talk about melodrama... and being born in the wrong part of the world." (Raf Robert)
"You, my friend, have a lot to learn." (S. Youell)
"Nonsensical Raving of a lunatic mind..." (Larry)
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