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Loving all these ideas! Thanks for bumping Nikodemus.

I only recently discovered DR, and have been doing Dawn Patrol instead, mostly to avoid needing any setup (outside of the crimp.) Might loop back around to DR with some of these ideas.
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On Sep 17, 2024, Nikodemus wrote:
JonHackl describes a nice impromptu approach to DR in this thread -
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......&forum=2

He doesn't bother with the Bannon setup at all (apart from crimping any card, and positioning it as required).


Very much the same thing. I like ending the effect with me saying what the card is bec of the premise that they “spell the card as you deal, one letter at a time”. At the end you get the whole message of what the card is. It makes sense in a way.
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On Sep 17, 2024, Nikodemus wrote:
JonHackl describes a nice impromptu approach to DR in this thread -
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......&forum=2

He doesn't bother with the Bannon setup at all (apart from crimping any card, and positioning it as required).


Very much the same thing. I like ending the effect with me saying what the card is bec of the premise that they “spell the card as you deal, one letter at a time”. At the end you get the whole message of what the card is. It makes sense in a way.


Interesting. You say the card before revealing it rather than asking them to name it?
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Yes. I recognize their mental "stop", then say their card then follow-up by turning over the last card they have dealt on the table.
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You have them deal the cards?
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Yes, just like in Bannon's original handling
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Hmmm. I first learned it from Dear Mr. Fantasy and in that handling the magician deals the cards and stops when the spectator mentally transmits the "stop!" message.

Dear Mr Fantasy pg 90:

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"Ready? Now silently spell the name of your card," he said and began slowly dealing cards.

As he dealt, I silently spelled the name of my card, "Q-U-E-E-N-O-F-S-P-A-D-E-S..." Then, as he began to deal the card on the final "S," I formed the thought, "Stop!"

And he did.

In fact, he recoiled a little and said, "Whoa, did you feel that? I felt a very strong impulse. What card did you choose?"

I was shocked and momentarily speechless. There was no way he could know what my card was; no way he could know when to stop. But I had to admit he had nailed it. Collecting myself, I stammered, "The Queen of Spades."

"Do you know what the most important part of the final act is?" I just looked at him. I couldn't tell if he had changed character or not, whether he was performing or explaining. "The applause, of course."

Bannon turned over the card in his left hand, the very card he was in the process of dealing when I thought "Stop." The Queen of Spades!
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My bad, I stand corrected. I think i’ve been mixing up performances in my head.
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On Aug 15, 2007, panimen wrote:
John Bannon's "Dead Reckoning" is a wonderful effect, but I am always discouraged to add it into my routine because of its setup. The fact that it's a large stack doesn't bother me but rather it's because I find it quite difficult to arrange during a routine. Culls and other forms of separation take a longer time because it's difficult to quickly identify which cards belong to the stack. Those of you who use this trick should understand what I mean.

I know that I could resort to using the effect at the beginning of the routine or executing a deck switch, but I want to try my best to stay clear from those solutions. Also, I don't want to have to memorize the stack because my memory skills are not the best, I already have a memorized deck to worry about, and it seems like such unnecessary effort for a single trick.


Does anyone have any suggestions of arranging the stack in an impromptu situation during a routine? Also it would be very convenient (if at all possible) to be able to obtain the stack from new deck order or Juan Tamariz's Mnemonica order.


Take a look at Max Arcanie's Redrum
https://trickordie.com/redrum/
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Intrigued by Redrum. Going to write Max. Thanks, Wravyn.

JonHackl and orenjii's comments got me thinking about other effects that could potentially be improved/made possible by the DR card selection process.

To quote Bannon in DMF: "This particular combination is very direct and very impossible. You know, if the procedure is direct enough, I believe civilians can appreciate the 'impossible location' aspect as much as magicians can. With this procedure, after they have buried their card and cut the packet a couple of times, you can tell by their faces that they have no idea how their card can be found under those conditions."

* Asi Wind's S.C.A.A.N. - requires getting a selected card into the 26th position

* Non-memdeck Aronson's Invisible Card - Not as good as the original, but if you need/want to do a non-memdeck version this could work
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Actually the more I think about using DR to get into Aronson Invisible Card the more excited I get about it. Could use a borrowed and shuffled deck.

"We'll need a card for this trick, and it really doesn't matter which, you could choose any one..."

Spread through the cards, do a rhythm count and put the necessary work into the card at your position of choice, then seem to change your mind.

"Hmmm, actually let's do this. Cut off a packet of cards, less than half of the deck..."

Have the card selected and lost via DR method.

"You shuffled, took some cards, shuffled them even more, peeked at a card, then buried that card and cut it multiple times to ensure that it is completely lost. So you'd agree there is no way I could know what your card is or where it is in the deck? For the first time, name your card out loud."

"The nine of diamonds? Are you sure? It couldn't be the nine of diamonds, because I put that card in my pocket."

Mime taking the card out of your pocket and "show" it.

"I made it invisible so you wouldn't notice I removed it. I was planning to use it for a trick later. No seriously. You don't believe me but there is no nine of diamonds in this deck. Here hold onto this for a minute..."

Mime handing the spectator the card, and then spread through the deck (a la Aronson IC) to show how the 9D has vanished.

"But of course it's not here, because you're holding it. I'd hate to leave an incomplete deck, so will you please place it back in. Thank you very much you did a wonderful job, almost perfect, except you put it face down into these face up cards. We'd better turn it over."

Spread through the now face up deck until you get to the single face down card, their selected card.
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