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wikiro
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Which of Jeff McBride's videos are best?
His Stage videos or his World Class Manipulations video? Also, what is the best manipulation sequence?
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Do you mean card, coin, billiard ball manipulation etc.?
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From what I have seen of the stage magic videos (I own the first one) he demonstrates some manipulation, and does teach quite a few moves with linking rings, but as far as learning manipulation with coins, balls and thimbles, then World-Class Manip is the way to go.
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I was asking what is a good manipulation routine. For example, transitioning from one type of manipulation to the another
(cards to coins, balls to cards, or thimbles to fire etc.)

Also, what doe the stage vide teach?
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I wouldn't say there is a set formula for putting together a good manipulation routine, but I think from an audience perspective that simplicity is key to entertaining with manipulation. I don't mean simplicity in terms of moves, just in terms of concept. Of the manipulation I've seen performed, be it live or on tape, the most remarkable performances in my mind were usually the shortest. For example, at my first convention there was a gentleman who did a stage routine which started with a water vanish/reproduction into a newspaper, I think he then tore and restored the paper. Later on in the routine he did a nice four ball production with some color changes and then some appearing candles. Basically, he treated the manipulative aspect of his act as just another effect, which I thought was just brilliant. I think there is a temptation, as a manipulator, to get completely carried away with it. I know how fascinated I am by manipulation, but most audiences aren't as impressed with my ability to backpalm as I am Smile (and, of course, if I'm doing my job they shouldn't suspect backpalming, just as they shouldn't suspect bags with false bottoms or trapdoors or smoke and mirrors)

That being said, my stance on manipulation is that it should ideally texture a presentation of various kinds of magic. Framing these magical feats (which usually require a high degree of manual dexterity) with other kinds of magic will leave the emphasis on the magic, not on the skill. For example, blending two types of manipulation into one sequence seems to work well. Shimada has a routine which blends cigarettes and billiard balls to great effect. McBride is known by most through his masks and cards routine. There is no formula for a combination that works well together. I imagine just about anything could be blended if the skill of the performer was strong and the routine was well constructed. The beauty of manipulation is that it is like dance. There is no standard routine or standard method of doing any one thing, you are limited only by your imagination (and the hours of practice you've put in).

McBride illustrates this beautifully in the Commando Act (volume one) video of the stage magic series. He actually warms the crowd up in the performance section with a little card manipulation (using moves not taught on his vids, the sneaky devil Smile )These videos are about Jeff and his style of magic. It is nice to see the kind of work he does outside of the raw teaching of the manip and card manip vids. You can read the descriptions of what the vids specifically teach on almost any dealer website, so I won't rehash them here. From what I have seen, it is a strong series and will teach you a lot of nuts and bolts type information about performing in the real world, as well as throw some "theory" and other stuff at you to get your own creative juices flowing so you aren't tempted to mimic the teacher.

Somwhere in that ramble may be the answer to your question...
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Thank you for your insight, now I'm interested in Jeff McBride's stage videos.
Do they teach routine or just show it?
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Like I said I can only really comment on the first volume of the stage vids, but I assume the other two follow suit. On Vol. 1 he teaches a rope routine, a ring and rope, linking rings (very good stuff here), a mouth coil routine and some other small stuff that isn't jumping in my noggin' right now. He explains everything in great detail and it is a pleasure to watch and learn. I would say a bulk of the teaching on the vid goes to the liking rings, and it is very well done, so even if you only get the tape for the rings info you will have gotten more than your money's worth.

check out this link for descriptions of each tape:
http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.......m=004904

Incidentally, you can also buy the tapes with this link. I don't work for Denny and Lee but I've bought stuff from them in the past and their service is outstanding..
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Wikiro,
I have all of Jeff McBride's Videos. All are great in my opinion. The World Class Manipulation videos deal strickly with Manipulation of Coins, Billiard Balls and Thimbles. The Stage videos give a good mix of different types of magic. Silk magic, rope, rings, and some classic magic like the zombie. It really depends on what you want to do or work on. Smile
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I want to get out of cards and now thinking coins and silks would be nice. I don't know what is best. On the stage videos does he cover thumb tips?
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I have seen my share of manipulation tapes. Here's a list of quick reviews:

Art of Card Manipulation vol 1-3 by McBride - (The card bible, period.)

Manipulation vol 103 by McBride - (Guide to coin, ball and thimble manip)

Magic of Jeff McBride - (A number of outstanding routines)

Stage Magic(?) by McBride - (An expert guide to the many facets of stage magic.)

Ron MacMillan lecture - (coins coins coins lots of great thoughts for manipulators even if you don't use coins)

Sylvester Pitch by Dan Sylvester - (The best sleight of hand move ever.)

Any video by Carl Cloutier (Sleeving and topit work mostly. Lots of ideas for the manipulator too.)

If there are other videos of note please post them.

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Wikiro,
In the stage videos there is no thumb tip work at all. But if you want to do coin manipulation, the World Class videos would be a good start. Smile
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Cool I guess Ill get that.
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I wish McBride would put his manipulation tapes onto DVD. I have the 3 manipulation tapes and the 3 stage on DVD. DVD is much better for jumping to what you want to see and easily repeating what you want to see. Much easier than tape. I also prefer books to video. What books would people suggest? Thanks. Lewis Ganson's Routined Manipulation were my early books.
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