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l1b3rty
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I have heard a little bit about NLP (Neuro-linguistic programming?Maybe??), but not nearly enough to actually use it in a conversation.
Do people who use it usually write up a sort of script that they memorize, so that they don't studder or have to say ummm, or uhhh after every word?

And can someone explain uses of it, and any experience they had with it, so I can get a clearer understanding of it?

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If you do a Google search you will get a lot of hits and find some useful articles and examples.
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Lots of arguments in the literature as to who NLP actually works or if it works at all. The data on the net can be real confusing, especially since anyone can pretty well post anything and not need to qualify their statements with back up documentation. Try to steer clear of "fan" sites, that is sites put up by proponents and believers who are trying to convince the world of their view, and try to find articles that are more academically documented to get a clearer picture. Tons of misinformation on NLP and most other things on the net.
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I have seen and heard of the misuse of NLP too.
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Do any of you know about how it works?

And I'll definitely check google, and try to "steer clear" of articles that aren't academically documented.
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You need to seach the Café and visit the folks in the Mentalism section.

From what I read about NLP, and I may be wrong, it has to with
subtle influences using words an voice inflections, reading eye movements and body language. Probably more but I haven't gotten into it much.
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I have a Ph.D. in psychology so I tend to be a bit biased, but basically NLP is an hypothesis initially put forth by Richard Bandler and John Grinder that basically presumes that the human senses are limited and are not capable of actually perceiving everything in the world around them. The senses are thus filtered by things like environment, biology, experiences, beliefs, values, social structure, etc. Thus the human body as a neurological complex (neuro) and what one says (linguistic) form a map (program) by which we perceive the world. Thus modifying the "map" or parts of it (mostly changing what you say or think) you can change the individuals perception of reality and thus how they behave.
Academically valid clinical research has failed to show that NLP has much , if any, significant effect as a therapeutic method for behavioral modification.
NLP was made popular mostly by proponents of self help media and literature, as well as proponents of some forms of hypnotherapy. There is quite a controversy surrounding its validity.
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NLP is interesting - I somehow never came around in applying it in real world. Perhaps because of a lack of inner conviction . .
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I'm not an expert on NLP but I am convinced that they way we speak to people can effect they way they respond. An anecdotal example from my time in the police was that telling someone 'You NEED to calm down.' seemed far more effective than 'Calm down.'.

I suspect that there is some scientific grounding to NLP but then as photius says people have jumped on the bandwagon and treated it as some form of 'super power' trying to build it up to more than it is.
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On 2007-08-21 00:20, wardini wrote:
I'm not an expert on NLP but I am convinced that they way we speak to people can effect they way they respond. An anecdotal example from my time in the police was that telling someone 'You NEED to calm down.' seemed far more effective than 'Calm down.'.

I suspect that there is some scientific grounding to NLP but then as photius says people have jumped on the bandwagon and treated it as some form of 'super power' trying to build it up to more than it is.


Actually that is more related to cognitive behavioral therapy than NLP. I was deliberately brief and sketchy in my definition, because there is no agreed upon definition of NLP. It takes aspects from cognitive behavioral therapy, behaviorism and several other psychological therapeutic forms. But the form used by NLP practitioners in itself has yet to produce clinically significant demonstration of effectiveness.
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You might also check out Kenton Knepper's Wonder Words. I believe it's derived from work in NLP. I'm listening to his CDs now and find the information very good. My understanding of Knepper's material is that you can significantly influence how a spectator perceives an effect by the words you use during a performance.
This might be as simple as making an effect more magical just by the words you use to describe it, to making a spectator essentially forget details of a routine so that it seems completely impossible.

I'm using this material to write scripts for my effects--I agree with Darwin Ortiz in his book Designing Miracles that it's really good idea to have a written script.
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YOu can spend a whole lifetime on reading,studying NLP.
A bit of basic knowledge isn't that bad,especially for building up rapport with your clients,audience etc.
I know a lot of salesman who are studied NLP practiconer and masters.You can use or better you will use NLP in any situation of your life.
Some people are using NLP for their own goal,and some people using NLP techniques to help other people.
I suggest to pick up NLP for dummies,yeah I know sounds bad,but in this book you will easily pick up on whats nlp all about.For a beginner its really great Smile
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On 2007-08-21 18:23, cosmicsecret wrote:
YOu can spend a whole lifetime on reading,studying NLP....


Yes, one can spend a lifetime reading about NLP and learn very little about using it or learning from its use.

One cannot learn NLP by reading. It's VERY hands on which means DOING.
Start with The Structure of Magic by Bandler and Grinder.

Find out what happens when you perform the anchoring procedure on yourself and also when you use the meta-model when discussing a problem with someone.

As to using it for trite magial effects... well I hope that by the time you start to set anchors and use imbedded commands that you can do such things in an ecological way.
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Anyone up for designing a study to check eye movement patterns or anchoring or any other phenomena... let's discuss.

Rather than offer any commentary on the study of subjective reality... here is a link to where some of the basics are spelled out:

http://www.purenlp.com/nlpresp.htm

The Presuppositions of NLP™
The ability to change the process by which we experience reality is more often valuable than changing the content of our experience of reality.

The meaning of the communication is the response you get.

All distinctions human beings are able to make concerning our environment and our behavior can be usefully represented through the visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, and gustatory senses.

The resources an individual needs in order to effect a change are already within them.

The map is not the territory.

The positive worth of the individual is held constant, while the value and appropriateness of internal and/or external behavior is questioned.

There is a positive intention motivating every behavior, and a context in which every behavior has value.

Feedback vs. Failure - All results and behaviors are achievements, whether they are desired outcomes for a given task/context, or not.

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