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So I'm reading another topic about one magician stomping on another's turf and all I can think is wait.
Isn't it the restaurant's turf?
If someone books alternate entertainment books a room and the restaurant is getting compensated. Who exactly is in the wrong?
If I'm a magician for a restaurant am I restricted to working soley for them? If not should they not be able to bring in what ever entertainment or party they see fit?
Now if I'm a Magician and get called to do a show should I tell them oh wait I have to see if they have other entertainment already booked?
The whole topic seemed absurd to me. One guy goes out to work a show he was booked up to that point what in the world has he done wrong?
The next guy finds out that a room that is privately booked threw the restaurant (ie. your boss) has alternate entertainment. Would the appropriate action not be go to your boss and say this group already booked entertainment so I'm going to focus on the rest of the restaurant?
Would it not be the restaurants call as to what action to take?
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That is right.
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Ill second that agreement Smile
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I also concur--restaurant management's call.
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I also agree and tried to make this point

I wrote - I've performed at at a ton of restaurants for private functions and I have never thought to call ahead to find out if there was another magician performing. Why would I care if I was performing at a private function.
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Many times people will meet at a restuarant and not have a specific room or area and still hire you to perform there. I always call ahead to ask the restuarant if this kind of thing is ok. I even ask the people hiring me if they have ok'd this with the restuarant. If this is a quiet restuarant then I am going to be quite distracting to the other guests. Its always smart to call the restuarant and ask if the Johnson party is in their own room or isolated from the rest of the restuarant and if the resturant has any problems with you coming in to perform for this party. Better safe then sorry.

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On 2007-08-23 19:44, JeffMac wrote:
So I'm reading another topic about one magician stomping on another's turf and all I can think is wait.
Isn't it the restaurant's turf?
If someone books alternate entertainment books a room and the restaurant is getting compensated. Who exactly is in the wrong?
If I'm a magician for a restaurant am I restricted to working soley for them? If not should they not be able to bring in what ever entertainment or party they see fit?
Now if I'm a Magician and get called to do a show should I tell them oh wait I have to see if they have other entertainment already booked?
The whole topic seemed absurd to me. One guy goes out to work a show he was booked up to that point what in the world has he done wrong?
The next guy finds out that a room that is privately booked threw the restaurant (ie. your boss) has alternate entertainment. Would the appropriate action not be go to your boss and say this group already booked entertainment so I'm going to focus on the rest of the restaurant?
Would it not be the restaurants call as to what action to take?



I don't think in the thread you are referring to there was an arguement about wether a magician can perform where another magician works. Its fine and happens quite a bit. But the situation has the ability to get out of hand if not handled professionally. The question at hand was "How does one handle this type of situation correctly?" The answer is ..."You are not competing with this guy. He has his job and you have yours. Both of you should do a great job and everyone should have a great time. "Its also very important to introduce yourself. He may not be aware of the situation that you work there and you don't want any surprises.

In the place I work we have banquet halls and people getting married and parties going on all the time. I have had the pleasure of meeting many other magicians this way. They will be there to perform in the comedy club or at one of the weddings or parties. Many times I do not even know they are working that night but I am always impressed when they come up to me and introduce themselves and we get to talk and share. I even help in any way I can. Maybe they are missing a deck for their show or something I always let them borrow anything they need. I have been in their same situation and wished there was another magician around to help me out.

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I think this thread got beat into the ground after exploading out of control (180 posts...whew!). Lets move on...
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Johnathan,
I realize the thread didn't start out about that but the argument came up that the other magician was on "his turf" so to speak.
The reality from the guy who is paying the bills is that it is his turf. I'm surprised the manager acted the way he did and didn't also chastise the original magician for not being more proactive about the situation.
ie. Telling the manager the situation immediately upon hearing about it
When the other magician started to be an issue tell the manager.
I feel he went over trying to handle the situation himself.
Oh and I also agree that giving his card was a mistake. As soon as he found out that it was a private party. (again booked in the restaurant he's working and benefiting his BOSS) That no longer was his "turf" and presenting his card was no different than going to any other performers gig and handing out a card and trying to solicit Business.
Oh and I find it odd that anyone would think that if I were a lawyer and walked into the waiting room of another lawyer and handed out cards that that would be an acceptable Business practice. Which is pretty much what is happening if you go to someone's venue and hand out any form of promotional material
That was pretty much the point I was trying to make.
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On 2007-08-24 00:04, lylemagic wrote:
I think this thread got beat into the ground after exploading out of control (180 posts...whew!). Lets move on...

that's why I was moving this more to the issue of what your expectations of a venue should be.
I'm not a "worker" for years I was a Bar Manager who did magic for his customers. I also have booked a lot of talent in those years. Just thought the opinion of someone who pays the bills might be appropriate
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On 2007-08-23 22:18, kammagic wrote:
I always call ahead to ask the restuarant if this kind of thing is ok. I even ask the people hiring me if they have ok'd this with the restuarant.

That just shows that you're a conscientious professional.

Not all magicians are.

Kudos.
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I don't see any reason to call the venue unless I needed something special (electrical outlet in the room, etc.). I would assume that the client had made arrangements with the venue when reserving the room. I figure, at worst, the venue has a problem and I lose the show. I figure once I'm there, I can solve any problem or concern that they might have. I'm not saying it is wrong to take Kamm's approach, in fact, it's may the best way to go about it. That way there are no surprises. But, I don't do it.
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Inasmuch as I once had a client who wanted to book me for a show at a reataurant that DID have its own entertainment (though not a magician) and forbade other entertainers from working there - even for private parties - I would, at least, make sure that the client had checked with the venue.
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Hey calling ahead is always a good idea, probably a smart one but not extremely necessary. Really if a customer has booked a private room a magician shouldn't be much of a issue for the venue.
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On 2007-08-24 01:37, JeffMac wrote:
Hey calling ahead is always a good idea, probably a smart one but not extremely necessary. Really if a customer has booked a private room a magician shouldn't be much of a issue for the venue.


Many times they won't know if they are getting a private room. They may just call and get a reservation for 8. They could be right in the middle of the room. Always best to call.
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IF they just call for reservations do they usually book entertainment? I am not certain for all venues but the only time I have ever seen anyone use entertainment is when they have the private room.

I don't know how it works everywhere needless to say. I was just curious how that worked.

I have done too many parties at too many places to call every one ahead of time. I agree it avoids the heck out of confussion, but I have had LOTS of parties out of state, heck out of country, and I would never imagine calling ahead. It is just too tough to try to do.

I also assume the people having the party have done this already. Again I must say I don't find it a bad idea at all. Quite the contrary, but way to unmanageable at some point is all I am saying.
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On 2007-08-24 03:47, Dannydoyle wrote:
IF they just call for reservations do they usually book entertainment? I am not certain for all venues but the only time I have ever seen anyone use entertainment is when they have the private room.

I don't know how it works everywhere needless to say. I was just curious how that worked.

I have done too many parties at too many places to call every one ahead of time. I agree it avoids the heck out of confussion, but I have had LOTS of parties out of state, heck out of country, and I would never imagine calling ahead. It is just too tough to try to do.

I also assume the people having the party have done this already. Again I must say I don't find it a bad idea at all. Quite the contrary, but way to unmanageable at some point is all I am saying.


Danny,

I think you do big enough parties that they would of course have their own room. When a client knows they have a private room you would think there is no need to call the restuarant. But I did a local brewpub once and the client said yes we have our own room. I was a little worried because the party was friday at 7PM(rush hour). But they had their own room. Should be fine right? I get there and the room amounted to a 4 foot high partician and the restuarant was packed and loud as hell. I wished I had known that ahead of time. You have surprises like that and you make sure you call next time. If the event is near by sometimes I will even stop in days before just to get a lay of the land. Its always nice to arrive knowing whats going on and not have to do last minute adjustments. Takes 5 minutes to make a phone call. To me it's worth it.

, Jonathan
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I've worked tons of restaurants for private parties over the years and never had a problem with other entertainers but did one time have an interesting experience.

When I showed up at one place I was greeted by a fellow who introduced himself as the union representative who wanted to be sure I was union. At which point I said of course I was a member of the International Brotherhood of Magicians and showed him my card. He said thanks and that was that.

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