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The Mental Lentil Regular user 125 Posts |
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On 2007-09-04 06:32, Menny Lindenfeld wrote: Menny, that is a very deceptive answer. Your friend Roei stated on the previous thread: Quote:
On 2007-08-15 10:41, Roei wrote: You yourself then stated on the same thread: Quote:
On 2007-08-18 21:23, Menny Lindenfeld wrote: Roei initial statement suggested that the technology was something new and your subsequent statement, instead of dispelling it, reinforced it. That is quite wrong. X-Board may have been a closely guarded secret for you, but I find it incredulous that no one in the hotbed of mentalism that is Israel has not heard of Kopy Kat. That 'closely guarded secret' term is just marketing puff and ambiguous enough for you to offer the current interpretation. If Deddy had not called you out on it I bet you would have been very happy to let punters think that you and Haim Goldenberg invented magnetic imaging film. X-Board is basically a Kopy Kat in virtually all but name. If both products were currently competing on the market, I wonder if Lee Earle would have been so accomodating?
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mindgames Veteran user 389 Posts |
Menny, right now, I really don't have any words to say to you.
First I'm really sorry if my review on your x-board doesn't really appeal to you like you wishes... again, I repeat myself, I said that the clipboard is in fact WORK! like what you promise too, yes, its a good imp board!!! and I really appreciate your way to stand tall on your X-board. But for me to spent $300 is not an easy decision. and yet I did spent it to get yours. Can I sell my "freewill" concept for $100 only for limited performer? yes I can... but no I didn't do it. and I'm really happy many of the buyer using it right now with a little smile on their face.. (and some of the best name create their own routine using it) can Gerard sell his chair prediction for $100? yes he can, and yes he did. and YES I bought it!!! did I put a bad review on it? you bet I don't! he sells HIS performance routine and pattern, either I like it or no, its his right. and he never claiming sell something that magic community don't know the method before. this been tell, I feel your ad is deceptive. you said" "until today a well guarded secret…" – It’s 100% accurate. Let me clear this up. When I advertised these words, I never meant or referred them to the technology. Did I motion anything about the technology in the ad? – NO!!. Because I didn’t invent the technology used in my clipboard." so what you referred too? the routine? which routine? If we like to discuss it more you put 3 routine I believe, 1. the one a head 2. the bank night 3. the watch routine (now.. this watch routine is in fact Banacheck Psikokinetic Time.. did you put his name there?.. I guess no) so what is you referred too? Elmwood magic supposedly gonna put my "NOCTURNAL BOOKTEST" in the market this year (its been there for 3 years) and they will charge you not more than $30 I believe... why it took so long from my side and from Elmwood side? course we really want to make sure there is no such booktest in the market before and I referred to the method and routine. But let's say that it did have some similarity with others booktest on the market, for $30 I don't think you gonna feel cheated. However for $300.00 oh yes I felt that! I think this debate is no longer make any sense for me right now. There are still many wannabe mentalist out there that don't read my post here and have no clue about any imp board that gonna buy your X-Board, and I hope it sells well.
I READ MINDS.... YOURS TOO.
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Menny Lindenfeld New user 7 Posts |
Mental Lentil:
Here is the quote of Roie’s post: “Menny Lindenfeld and Haim Goldenberg were working on the C.B. technology for over 5 years. Haim issued his clipboard about two years ago and both Haims and Menny's clipboard are based on the same technology used differently.” I don’t see anywhere in his post that mentions that I or Mr. Goldenberg invented the technology. Do you see it? I have integrity, I don’t copy other’s ideas or products. And for that matter, never copied a DVD or book in my life – I buy them! This will be my last post on the subject. I stand 100% behind X board! It is indeed a great tool for mentalists. For those of you who don’t want to purchase it - DON’T - the loss is all yours. |
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mesmer Inner circle 1186 Posts |
For the Owner of X-Board out there....to make you all feel better
.....at least Menny is replying your post...Not like Fabrice and you only loss $.300.00 NOT $.2000.00 and X-Board will work 100%....there is no Humidity, signal interference and human error when you forgot to change the Battery so Look at the bright side |
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On 2007-09-04 09:36, mindgames wrote: Mindgames, When you search the market, you're searching only what is in print. There might be those performing "your" booktest that aren't into writing it up. Case in point. I was doing the Sylvester pitch before he was born. Dan is the one who gets the credit. I'm sure there were those who did it before me. We (as magicians) are getting too hung up on who did what and when. When the smoke clears, just how important is it. If I buy 10 tricks at $30.00 vs 1 trick for $300.00, and they don't meet my expectations, I am just as irritated. The only magician that never lied when he performed was Jerry Andrus. He didn't do a double lift and then put (your card?) in the middle of the deck, he really put your card in the middle and got it to the top. All of us are a little guilty of throwing rocks in a glass house. By our trades, we are all deceivers. I have the X Board and it does what Menny says. Is it too high priced? Maybe! But most of magic is.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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The Mental Lentil Regular user 125 Posts |
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On 2007-09-04 09:53, Menny Lindenfeld wrote: The implication was that you and Haim invented the technology. 'Working on the C.B. technology for over 5 years' strongly implies that you invented or developed the technology. It takes you 5 years to work on a technology that has already been developed and successfully marketed?! What were you doing for those 5 years? Figuring out how to repackage it? Sorry to sound so cynical but that what it smells like to me. I love your other stuff like Hollowed but I think you've misjudged this one badly.
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Parson Smith Inner circle 1937 Posts |
I do not have a horse in this race, but one thing does amuse me.
There has been a plethora of angst concerning this particular method of impression. After countless hours of research, I have discovered that if there had been the same kind of fret over the use of carbon paper, there would have been 6234 less mentalism effects on the market. As far as price is concerned... It is important that we let each other know when someone is trying to gouge the fraternity/sorority. When we get burned, let us shout it out. It is also important that we, as individuals, find dealers that we can trust. Denny(of Denny fame) has always been up front with me about items that he sells. Paul Gross has even allowed me to return items that did not work out for me. There are some very ethical dealers in magic. (Actually, I have found very few that were not.) Peter Nardi is great and I wish that he had a shop here in the states. Jim Henson at Mr. Magic in Little Rock goes out of his way to help magicians. Doug Higley will make anything right that you buy from him. Steven's Magic has accepted a return from me when the item was not suitable. Folks at The Magic Corner in Raleigh has been of assistance to me for 4 decades. (since the 70's) There are dozens more and I am thankful for them all. There is strength in numbers. Peace, Parson
Here kitty, kitty,kitty.
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davidlai308 Veteran user Kuala Lumpur,Malaysia 376 Posts |
From a person who does not own the Kopy Kat , this is my review on the X-board .
The 1st thing that striked me when I got the board was the packaging . Rarely do I see a prop packaged this nicely . The instruction booklet was deligently made(without any spelling mistakes as far as I've read ) and the whole `package ' seemed very professional . Now back to the board . The board recieved was a black clipboard(vinly covered) . It looks like your normal everyday looking clipboard and the only thing `abnormal ' about it, is that is has a folded cover on it ( that can be opened and closed ) . Although , I do not own the Kopy Kat , I do have the IMB by James Biss and Maverick's Ultra Perfect Clipboard . My knowledge on impression devices are limited but having owed James Biss's board , I can conclude that the X-board utilizes the same technology as IMB and the Buma Board ( which got James into so much trouble) On the peek methodology used , I have been playing with the board for a while now and felt that the instant peek was indeed a good one . The only problem I had was that the impression made is a mirror image of what the spectator wrote or drew . I had the word ` MYANMAR ' mirrored on the impression device and couldn't make out what the hell was it . This is bad for an instant peek so stick with simple words and pictures . As for pre-show usage, I feel this is really a great device for pre-show work . Menny gave a subtle method to prevent spectators from locating the impression device . The impressions made are CLEAR and always THERE ...unlike most impression devices out there . As for the supposed instant reset . Well , it din 't work for me , but it was not much of a problem . The reset took about 5 seconds anyway , and I din 't really need an INSTANT RESET . 3 routines were provided and 1 of them used the board's impression device in a new way . As for the price , 300USD is a huge sum to pay for an impression board...unless you get Fabrice's one like Mesmer did( and don 't use..what the?? )...IMO , I've spent a lot on junk and I'm sure most of you here have too . Magic props that we buy and never use . Copyrights aside ,X-board to me is something that I WILL be using in my shows...that justifies the price for me . ...now what will I do when the pen provided runs out of ink??...hmmm Best Regards, David
An entrepreneur by day , a magician by night . Satiate my mind & you've won my heart .
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
David,
I ask Menny about the pen issue and this was his response: There are 2 markers included so that it will take a long time until they will dry out. I will offer dealers worldwide the special markers soon. So that mentalist could replace them when needed. Enjoy Xboard, Menny Lindenfeld
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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The Baldini Inner circle I some how pounded in 2445 Posts |
I have read everything about X-Board and AFA and all the others, I have had private emails with Menny, who was very generous and open, he also replied very fast, I have no idea what came out first and to me it really is not a big deal who did, I do think credit should be given to those who deserve it and perhaps two or more do deserve the same credit for coming out with very similar products at the same time, but why attack someone over it if no one really knows for sure, they can all prove it and they being the inventors do not have a problem with each other that I know of, so let's have some peace and continue to share ideas.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Does that mean its ok for me to release an e-book telling you how to make one for about $25?
A few years back there did seem to be more of an unspoken code that you don't release something that someone else had. What is happening these days? It seems anyone get away with anything and I can only see things will get worse. |
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On 2007-09-06 17:33, mindpunisher wrote: It is impossible to know who else has everything. It still appears Menny had this before the others. Regardless, if he created it independently to the rest, who has the right to say anything. As in all things, if you don't like a trick, don't buy it. Magicians are the only people I know who shoot their wounded. The way this argument has gone, you couldn't even make one for yourself without violating somebody's rights.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
So should I release my e-book? I need some cash...and I was the first to think about an e-book..
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On 2007-09-06 18:20, mindpunisher wrote: As long as you don't violate any copyright have at it.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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Parson Smith Inner circle 1937 Posts |
Mindpunisher,
I do not see anything wrong with you releasing an eBook. I have bought some very good ones and some that were trash. If you provided sources for where to buy the materials, a diagram for building the prop and a workable routine, I think that some folks would buy it. If, on the other hand, you simply published the "works," I think that word would spread quickly and you would get few sales. Every magic book that I have read in a very long while has had older ideas that have been expounded upon. I think that there is no more wrong with using this technology in new effects as there is in using carbon paper or wax in new effects. Peace, Parson
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rbattle Loyal user 266 Posts |
I have the Buma board, IMB by Biss and now the X-board. They all have similarities, pluses and minuses. Each is usable and works. I think the x board is and improvement. We have improvements in most products with a lot less fuss. Pre-show or use pad and paper. All work.
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davidlai308 Veteran user Kuala Lumpur,Malaysia 376 Posts |
Thanks for the marker pen update . I have also found out that James Biss has a refill pack for the IMB . That should settle the problem on the marker pens . To rbattle , why buy 3 boards that work on the same principle ? Just curious ..
An entrepreneur by day , a magician by night . Satiate my mind & you've won my heart .
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smith New user 4 Posts |
James Biss IMB
I have read the discription of this and wonderd if there was a smaller sized one on the market more sutible for closeup.. |
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parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts |
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On 2007-09-06 23:52, davidlai308 wrote: in hope to find the graal board of course !
“I love talking about nothing. It is the only thing I know anything about.”
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chicane Elite user New Zealand 465 Posts |
Regarding the replacement special pens. Just pull the body apart carefully and replace the ink part with a new one from a regular sharpie. Push it back together again. I have done this with the IMB pen and got it working again just like new.
Posted: Sep 22, 2007 3:54am I should add that if you don't own ANY of the other boards mentioned in previous posts, then X-board will give you the information it promises to deliver. But if you have one of the others you have something to compare it with. |
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