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Thank you, pepka, for mentioning, about 6 years ago that:

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One thing about Mike Close's work that really intrigued me is if he is doing all memdeck work while strolling, rather than do a false shuffle, he just faros over and over. He actually has the stack memorized after each out faro shuffle. That's devotion.


I have been practicing the perfect faro shuffle for well over a year, and I am finally getting the hang of it. Lately I practice by completing 8 serial out faros, bringing the deck back to its original condition. I have been using a deck in USPCC NDO for practice, since it is quite easy, at the end of 8 shuffles, to see if there have been any mistakes that I did not catch during the process.

I have also learned, incidentally, what cards appear at the 26 position each time I shuffle.

This is probably obvious to the experienced cardicians here, but one thing that interested me, is that the USPCC NDO is a palindromic stack. And the palindromic character of the stack is preserved every time you shuffle it. You are always dividing the deck at a pair.

I have been interested in memorizing a modified palindromic version of the great Doug Dyment's great tetradistic Quicker Stack, so I have recently started my faro practice with that stack. Of course, the same principle applies. The stack is palindromic every time I shuffle.

I think there are a lot of possibilities in such an arrangement.
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Also known as a Mirror Stack or Stay Stack. See this thread for more info:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=205
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I just re-discovered Theater of Mind - very powerful stuff for the mem deck worker (even more mentalism than magic).
The Mati Envelope
A brandnew peek device for the working mentalist!

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Certainly a book you can read more than once Smile. Jan
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No one mentioned Denis Behr?? Smile
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Yes Denis Behr has great ideas about using tricks as algorithms to get into stack. Interesting use of Hugard and Braues Tantalizer.
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In Darwin Ortiz latest book you can find several new powerful mem deck routines. Super strong, sure...
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Even if you've made the Aronson Stack your choice, as mentioned previously, there is a lot of valuable stack-independent material in MNEMONICA.
However, it's also very useful to learn how to get into the Tamariz Stack from NDO, even if you never memorize the stack. There is a lot you can do with it without having it committed to memory.
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The original post was: "Which books and/or DVDs would you recommend that have great effects used with a memorized deck?"
The short answer is, start with Tamariz and Aronson.

The long answer is a full recap / collection of books and DVDs with material of use to memdeck workers. I've tried to collect everything mentioned in this thread as well as other elements from my own research. Apologies if I've missed anything.

All of Simon Aronson's books and the DVD set. Explains (unsurprisingly) the Aronson stack and many, many associated effects. The stack is a placed-card stack.
Mnemonica, by Juan Tamariz. Again, explains the Tamariz stack and many effects. The stack is faro shuffled into, involving cuts, runs and faros.
The Osterlind Breakthrough Card System, by Richard Osterlind. Cyclical stack.
The Six Hour memorized deck, by Martin Joyal. Placed card stack designed for easy memorization.
The Worker's Series, by Michael Close (esp. Vol 5). Thoughts on Aronson and Memdeck Work in general.
Classic Sampler, by Michael Skinner. Just a short section on memdeck, but explains his 5-faro idea.
A Tangled Web, by Eric Mead. Lots of excellent thoughts on memdeck work, including spectator shuffles.
Handcrafted Card Magic Vols 1 + 2, by Denis Behr. Utterly stunning work on memdecks, including spectator shuffles.
Magic Page by Page, and The Big Book of Magic, by Patrick Page. Tried and tested thoughts after decades of professionally working the Si Stebbins stack. Well worth a look imo, even for the experienced.
The Encyclopedia of Card Tricks, Jean Hugard. Includes the Nicola card system (but not much detail).
Spirited Pasteboards, Skullduggery and Psimatrika, by Leo Boudreau. Binary and suit stacking. Mentalism style effects. Useful if you're making your own stack.
Magical Mathematics, by Persi Diaconis. Thoughts on stacks and faro shuffles.
The Complete Works of Alex Elmsley. Lots of Faro material and some great memdeck effects.
The Cardiste, by Rusduck. Lots of stack and faro work. Lots on stay-stack.
My Personal Stack, by Dani DaOrtiz. Very clever, partially shuffled, partially placed stack with arithmetic properties. Well worth considering.
Barry Ray's Stacked Deck, by Barry Ray (Stebbins Variation)
It All Depends, Oasis and others, by Eric Richardson. Lots of work on the Aronson stack.
Recall (DVD Set) by Tom Crosbie. Two DVD set on Crosbie's own placed-card stack.
Tricyclic, by Doug Dyment (The DAO stack). Arithmetic stack.

My personal thoughts: There are pros and cons with every stack. I started with 8 kings, then moved on to Stebbins. That was a little slow for some things, and required a bit too much looking up and mumbling to myself, so I then moved on to Tamariz (because memorizing the whole deck is just much, much faster), now I prefer a stripped down Faro stack, like Skinner's - for the new deck order feature. I don't like placed-card stacks because I like to be able to stack the deck quickly (although there are culling methods that allow a fairly quick stack to any order if you're willing to memorize the culling procedure). More importantly, I like to be able to get back to NDO quickly - not necessarily just to spread the deck (although that's really cool), but also for the deals, stay stack and other effects that are quick to get to from NDO. The audience might not even be aware that the deck has been in NDO sometimes... Smile
If your NDO is the US, standard one (HCDS, aces out) then - if you're using a faroed stack - consider switching it to CHDS (aces out) because that's a literal stay stack, with mates. Or, the Spanish NDO described by Tamaris, SHDC, aces out.

Downsides with a Faroed stack - if you really, really look at them for a long time, you can see patterns. This isn't really an issue for me, since I was used to Stebbins where the pattern is pretty blatant. I really like the idea (earlier in this thread) of having all your shuffles be legit faros, and memorizing all (or maybe just 2) of the deck orders on the 8-faro wheel. The problem with a faroed stack is that there are points on the wheel where there's too much order in the deck. With a placed-card stack you have the option of a ton of built in effects, e.g. Zens "any hand called for", Aronson's Shuffle Bored and so on, which can be great - but you can get to a lot of surprisingly cool stuff quickly if you're able to covertly get to NDO too. E.g. out of this world setup, any hand called for, fours of a kind, pairs, and so on.

So anyhow, I'd start with Tamariz. If you're thinking of rolling your own stack, check out Nick Pudar's "StackView" software, which is free and awesome. And I'd suggest learning the faro, because although it's a little painful at first, it's a really, really powerful tool in stack work.

Hope that helps - but I've probably just confused the issue even more... Smile
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On 2013-04-24 13:56, Woland wrote:
Thank you, pepka, for mentioning, about 6 years ago that:

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One thing about Mike Close's work that really intrigued me is if he is doing all memdeck work while strolling, rather than do a false shuffle, he just faros over and over. He actually has the stack memorized after each out faro shuffle. That's devotion.


I have been practicing the perfect faro shuffle for well over a year, and I am finally getting the hang of it. Lately I practice by completing 8 serial out faros, bringing the deck back to its original condition. I have been using a deck in USPCC NDO for practice, since it is quite easy, at the end of 8 shuffles, to see if there have been any mistakes that I did not catch during the process.

I have also learned, incidentally, what cards appear at the 26 position each time I shuffle.

This is probably obvious to the experienced cardicians here, but one thing that interested me, is that the USPCC NDO is a palindromic stack. And the palindromic character of the stack is preserved every time you shuffle it. You are always dividing the deck at a pair.

I have been interested in memorizing a modified palindromic version of the great Doug Dyment's great tetradistic Quicker Stack, so I have recently started my faro practice with that stack. Of course, the same principle applies. The stack is palindromic every time I shuffle.

I think there are a lot of possibilities in such an arrangement.

You may find Nick Pudar's excellent free Stackview software program useful. You can simulate the effects of any number of faros from any starting point with it, among many other things.

Five faros in from USPCC NDO is a fairly random looking stack--if you come in with that and perform your memdeck and staystack routines and then finally outfaro three times--well, now you're back in USPCC NDO, not a bad position to be in at all.
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Three relevant sources, IMHO:

1. Nmenonica, by Juan Tamariz (book)
2. Simon Aronson's work on his stack (book and dvd)
3. Woodyland, by Woody Aragon (DVD set) for those of you interested in the Si Stebbins stack.

Hope it helps Smile
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Mnemonica by Juan Tamariz,
and Tangled Web by Eric Mead are great books!
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