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Steve Cook
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Probably an impossibility for anyone to write of Kaps magic, as he took most of it
with him when he left us in 1980. What a diabolical shame it was never done! If someone other than Kaps had to write it then, there are a few people who may have had the knowledge to produce such a work, had they stiil been around: Phillipe Fialho, Fred Robinson (possibly), Bro' John Hamman... and, I'm sure today that guys such as Pete Biro, Barry Stevenson, Piet Forton and a few others could contribute some worthwhile stuff. The best candidate however, in my opinion, would have been the late, great, Ken brooke; Fred Kaps' close friend and confidant. Let's be honest, who magically, wrote better and more entertainingly than Ken?
Now that would have been a book to crave for! Ah well...
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Dik Koornwinder (A very inventive Dutch magician) has or was working on a book of Fred Kaps magic. I don't know if it is still being written or if the project is still even in the works.

I do know Koornwinder was a good friend of Kaps so he would be a very good one to write such a book.

Hopefully the book is still in the works and will see the light of day very soon!

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Hi Randy, Yes, I've heard about the Koornwinder book and yes, he was a good friend of Kaps, however, I've heard nothing positive about the book for a long while.
There are (and were) a good number of magicians who knew Kaps very well and, were
aware of many of the subtle methods he employed, including: Ger Copper (another fine Dutch magician), Trevor Lewis, Ricky Jay, Tonny Van Rhee and so on. I'm
sure that if Dick Koornwinder produces such a book, that it will be a very worthy effort. I still however, go back to my original post in that I honestly believe that
whoever writes it today (if anyone ever does), then it will be a very difficult task, due mainly to the lack of information available on Kaps' effects, technique and methodology, which (as far as I'm aware) he never really wrote up to any degree. I hope someone proves me wrong! Such a project would be a great challenge to anyone with the patience, resolve, fortitude and tenacity to attempt it. I sincerely hope that such a book comes to fruition and, I eagerly await any positive news. I still would have loved to have seen Ken Brooke write such a book!
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Thre is no "lack of information" as Kaps kept copius notes on everything. Every trick, move, idea, etc. and Koornwinder has that collection of his notes as well as all the correspondence from all Fred's friends (over 100 letters from me alone).

It is just a matter of Dick getting down to work on it. I takes a lot of time and every once in awhile he does get on with it.
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Thanks for that Pete. Pat Page once mentioned that Kaps had a personal notebook
in which he recorded everything worth recording (as of course most creative magicians do) but, I didn't know that Dick Koornwinder had his collection of notes. It's a daunting task,
not just to produce such a work but, to produce one worthy of the great man's
memory and, truly representative of his unique talent. I wish Dick Koornwinder
well and look forward to it with baited breath!
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Fred Kap's work is my favorite too. Let's hope the work can be completed sooner.
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Hey, if he needs help writing it, I'm available. But, who can afford to go to Holland on what little I make.
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I hope this work does get done. But as best I remember, Fred Kaps had trouble with numbers himself.

I look forward to seeing the finished goods.

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I would like to help out, but I’m sure the main problem is that Fred Kaps notes were probably in Dutch. I wouldn’t be able to read them. I would be able to help put it together. I don’t like to procrastinate.

Or maybe Dik can use an illustrator. But, whatever, I know I would love to see a book on Kaps in print. I have the one that was compiled by Freddie Jelsma. It was a good book, but short. I wish it could have been longer.

Maybe something can be worked out. There is a need for a comprehensive book on Fred Kaps. Dik Koornwinder is in the perfect position to write such a book.
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Any news about this book?
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In Kens Studio 145 Wardour Street Ken had the Magic of Kaps book on display. When anyone opened it, it turned out to be a book full of blank pages. Such was the interest in Kaps and the naughtyness of Ken.

There were many other gags played out in the studio (My favorite was the self lighting bulb) to make the bulb light up Ken would bang on the floor (Which was the ceiling to the Café directly below) Then the bulb would light up or go out accordingly !!!!! Guess how many visitors called into the Café on the way out from Brookies all trying to figure out what or who below controlled the bulb. Remember (Scotty York bulb).
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Helder, I too was wondering how far along Dik Koornwinder is on the Kaps book. I know many who would be interested in this legendary figure.
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Iam VERY interested in this book. It is a shame that we don't have a book for this great performer. He was one of the best magicians ever! But who can teach the charm and the beauty? He was a master technician, but hiispersonality made the magic. Still I want this book!
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There is a very short book on Kaps, but not the kind that was done by Levent for both Cardini and Benson. I think it is high time that it is done. Like I said, a few years ago, I would be willing to work with Koornwinder if he needs help, but I do not have the mountain of info that is needed to do the job by myself. Most of the info I got for the Wiki page I wrote was based on that short book. That and the info I read from the Grand Prix.
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If Fred Kaps was still on this planet and reading this thread, he'd no doubt have a chuckle.

The fact is most of what Fred performed, whether on stage or close-up, is already out there, and has been for many, many years! The difference is Fred performed it impeccably; with his own charm, charisma and style. Yes, he'd sometimes use his own handling. But this was because certain moves suited him better.

So why do you want a Fred Kaps book - to become, at very best, a copy of the great man himself?

Fred did in fact release a couple of booklets - wherein tricks had been sufficiently altered, and to share his spin on things. But to the most part, what he performed is ALREADY out there; often within the pages of 'the classics'. Maybe that's why Fred never wanted a book published in his name? Think about it.

If you are that interested, go look for it........the same way that he did!

I can't believe why anyone who is so interested in the guy, and his magic, doesn't already know this. But then again, in today's world, everyone wants to be spoon-fed.
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Many reasons. I would love to read a comprehensive bio on the great man. Second, by studying his methods, you can learn the most important thing about him as a magician and that is his wonderful timing and misdirection.

I like to watch and study his Smoking Thumb trick. Not because I will ever do it because I don't smoke, but to appreciate more on how terrific his handling was. The subtleties is great and the more I watch it the more I shake my head in appreciation of his technique. It is just sure genius.

Also, it would be nice to have a journal of the greatest magician to perform at FISM.
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A book on Kaps can either be one of two ways. One like Tommy Wonders where tricks are combined with notes from Kaps on theory like in the Wonder books. Or the best option would be the one Karr and Levent did on Roy Benson. A bio of is life interspersed with describing his act describing his mindset through out. I think we would learn a lot if we knew what he was thinking as he designed it. Not to copy the tricks, but to learn the real secrets and essence of the great man. We all know how to do tricks, but learn the inner thoughts of a master is the best lesson.
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Exactly Michael and long time no see This is Randy I worked with you at the C.C. shop. Very good response also Michael.

Anyway wanting a F.K. book for most of us isn't so we can do what he did it is to learn more about his thinking and how he aproached the things that he did etc... Yes most of what Fred did is out there we all know that. Magic isn't just knowing how the effects work.
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A DVD on Fred Kaps performace only came out a while back and I have watch that more then anyother instructional DVD.
I don't want to copy his act, I can't, or will I ever have the ability.
I would like to have AT LEAST a bio/history book and/or video.
And as Michael already explained, most magicians like to study other magicians they admire.
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Hey, Randy, it's nice to see you on here. Miss those days at the Circus. Good times.

I wrote a bio for Wikipedia a few years ago with of course much editing. I would like to use this as a blueprint for the book. I have already written out the moves for the Homing Card trick. But, I can't begin to really know this guy without contacting those that knew him well. Pete Biro would be much help if I decide to do this book myself. However, the guy that has collected a lot of info on Kaps is Dik Koornwinder.

I am having trouble contacting Koornwinder. I am not sure if is still collecting information for a book on Kaps or if he is even interesting in working together on the project. Since we are both a half a world away, it will make it difficult to meet in person.
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