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Blair Marshall
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Dynamike: I don't think I would have put the lower molding on, looks nice, but adds to the thickness.

Hey L.L. That would be awesome for all of us here!

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YEA L.L. COol!
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I agree with Blair. It is possible do better work in this kind of base.

For Leapinglizards :

- Many Thanks for your intention to hep us with your experience about the magic work in bases.

Like me, I believe that all magicians interesteds in Grand Illusions will wait for your post.

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Silvio Solaris
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Bases are in my opinion one of the greatest trade secrets in our business.

As master John Gaughan says about his business; Quote: "It is basically hiding people in furniture".

Second would be backloading and the million dollar mistery.

I am glad the exposure geeks didn't find that one out yet...
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asianmagic
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Hi guys,

Does anyone know the official name for the base used in Copperfield's illusion called "The Snow Dream" (?)? He "changes" to the small boy, and then he reappears again.

Video clips:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=copperfield+snow

Thanks!
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Its a zimmerman base. (well technically its a deceptive base using the zimmerman principle) he uses the same (and a much cleaner) design for "after the show" sequence / Mascott Moth
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Hi guys,

Does anyone know the official name for the base used in Copperfield's illusion called "The Snow Dream" (?)? He "changes" to the small boy, and then he reappears again.

Video clips:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=copperfield+snow

Thanks!
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Um . . .

Its a zimmerman base. (well technically its a deceptive base using the zimmerman principle) he uses the same (and a much cleaner) design for "after the show" sequence / Mascott Moth
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Ryan C. Reed
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Zazz
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This is my first base. It was built using The Dennis Loomis Dollhouse Illusion plans. I built it out of 1/2" plywood.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff127......85-1.jpg
Blair Marshall
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Nice job!!!

Are the wood pieces painted, or stained? They look like natural wood.

Anyone come up with an idea to "hide" tubular legs without getting into a rebuild? I have a couple of old illusions that I would like to do something with. I have an idea or two, but wonder if anyone else has come up with something.

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Zazz
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Thank you.

The 1/4" x 1 1/2" oak strips are stained.

Has anyone used the casters in my picture before. I found them at Graingers. They have a threaded stud with a rubber grommet and a heavy threaded washer attached to it. The stud and grommet are inserted into the tube leg and as the grommet is compressed it secures itself to the leg. No welding or brazing needed.

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Blair, what exactly do you mean by "hide" tubular legs?

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Blair Marshall
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Hey Dan,

When using the tube legs in my first illusions (40 years ago)and the ones I wrote up for Genii, there was a plastic piece that would fit into the tube and you would "force" the caster stud into it, you would hear a "pop" and it would be locked into the tube. As you say, no fuss, no mess!

Jack, Lee Edwards on his Abbott's Temple had decorative tubes that would fit over the pipes (legs) to give them more substance and shape. I actually forget how he had them attached, and the illusion is packed away. I have often thought of doing a box style leg with clips inside that you could put over the pipes and just "clip" them on.

I was sort of surprised when Dennis released his Doll House plans, he did not have an alternate style leg, in comparison to the pipes (as on his original).

Any thoughts?

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Jack Murray
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Blair, If you have something in mind you wish to "attach" to your legs to give them shape, I might be able to help. Let me know.
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To Blair,

My original Doll House had pipe legs painted black. I have tried several different leg styles over the years, but I still like the simple pipe legs. Here's why: the larger the legs the less view you have under the house and I want to convince the audience that no one comes up into the house from a stage trap. Second, I want attention higher up, not down low so that they don't look much at the base. Anything colorful (more attractive) down there pulls the eye downward. Hence the simple black pipe legs. The guy who made my Sword Temple made the legs when I was not around and chromed them. They look nice, but I still would prefer flat black legs.

If you watch my Doll House DVD you will see pictures of many different doll houses and several leg styles. Now you know why I didn't recommend them or teach you how to make them.

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Blair Marshall
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Hey Dennis glad to hear from you!

I had your original plans so I know you have been consistant. I don't think I would want anything flashy down there either, but I really would like to come up with an altrenate to pipe legs. I do like the Owen Candy Cane Dollhouse legs, they do not have to be quite as flashy, maybe Queen Anne painted dark brown or stained, or even the Owen legs antiqued gold.

My question still is, does anyone have an idea how to cover (hide) the pipes on an existing base? Ideas?

Blair Marshall
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P.S. As has been said by a previous poster, the pure information on this thread is awesome!

P.P.S. A plug for Dennis: Anyone intested in illusion design/principles would be wise to get Dennis' Doll House DVD.
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Blair,
Thanks for your kind words and the plug. Here's the link: http://www.loomismagic.com/item1132.htm

One approach, if you are a wood turner, would be to take a piece of wood maybe 3 x 3 inches and create a simple turned leg. There are any number of different styles you could use, but it should be consistant with the Doll House or Temple. There are systems for duplicate turning so that you can do 4 legs exactly alike. Then, drill a hole down the center of the finished leg which will fit over the pipe leg. Glue and screw them over the pipe legs, finish them as you wish, and Bob's your uncle!

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Leaping lizards,

Why don't you make a visual diary detailing everything from sketch to performance? I would pay to have that docoument.
Blair Marshall
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Hey The Mac, ssssssssssssssssssh!!!!!

He's going to post it HERE....FREE!!! Don't encourage him to sell it!! LOL


WOW, my 1000th posting. Nearly all on Grand Illusion!

Blair Marshall
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Lol..blair..I know I don't think Leaping lizards is a lousy guy who would sell us the file... (psychology 101)
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