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"I've see reference to what could be considered "noise" (the polite reference to a fart) such as air coming out of a balloon., "Who did that!" The kids loved it."

Ofcourse the kids loved it, Dennis! But that does not make it appropiate. I am sure older children would love to see magic acts where the female assistant takes off her clothes. That does not mean it is appropriate. From my point of view it is a cheap laugh, and really rather sad. I would rather children saw quality entertainment.
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I agree with Mr. Riddle up to a point. I specialize in shows for children 7 and under so I use Mr. Rogers as my guide. If he wouldn't have done it, I won't include it. That said, I don't believe that a modest level of mild potty humor such as employing a whoopie cushion, burping a balloon or referring to under-things in the presence of middle school children and older is inappropriate if it's done in character and in relatively good taste. These same older kids are fluent in the goings-on of the Southpark characters, the Simpsons, the Jackass movies and worse (If there can be anything worse.) They're very familiar with games about stealing cars, murdering gang members and killing a vast variety of intergalactic species and beings. It's simple marketing - what kid aged 10 and older wants a Kiddie Magician?

It isn't my taste, style or market so I avoid it, but I can certainly see why others who cater to this market spice their act up with a bit of trash humor.
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Laughing at farting is a universally funny. I've seen people from every culture laugh at the expense of passing gas, from Siberia to the isolated tribes of the Amazon.
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Oh Skip...don't be a Mr. Rogers magician... so sad. Again, in the book it clearly states that David understands not everything he does is for everyone, problem is not all of you seem to understand that what David does ins't for everyone.
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On 2007-09-07 19:27, MagicSanta wrote:
Oh Skip...don't be a Mr. Rogers magician... so sad. Again, in the book it clearly states that David understands not everything he does is for everyone, problem is not all of you seem to understand that what David does ins't for everyone.


Agreed. There is a world of difference between deciding not to do something in your show and deciding that some one shouldn't do it in theirs
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I'm sure David has enough experience to determine what each audience will be able to tolerate and find enjoyable. Comedians have always walked that thin line between what is appropriate and what is not. Right or wrong, Disney has made a fortune with fart jokes and their British accented Shrek.
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On 2007-09-07 20:46, derrick wrote:
Right or wrong, Disney has made a fortune with fart jokes and their British accented Shrek.


Actually Shrek is a DreamWorks property, not Disney.

Also Shrek's accent is Scottish, not British.
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I find Vulgarity is in the eye of the beholder.

Some examples,

I was told at a show that NO blue or toilet humour was allowed. I removed the one or two bottom jokes in my kid's show ("sit on your bottom...make sure that it is YOUR bottom because you can't sit on someone elses") to make the squeaky clean act they want. Then the MC performed all sorts of lewd, rube and dirty jokes! What the client had REALLY meant was "No swearing" .

When I do my straight jacket escape for adults I say "Now we have a problem...I have to get this head, through THAT hole [in my arms]. I don't know if you have noticed but I have a BIG head and that is a SMALL hole." One audience member commented on how risqué the joke was! I don't get it?!!?!

Finally, I used to do a comedy juggling routine in which the I would juggle without the balls. The kids would ALWAYS yell out "YOU'VE GOT NO BALLS!" which I failed to see as dirty. Once it was pointed out to me I realised that, yes, it had a double meaning and I was embarrassed. However, not one adult every complained about the joke. (I dumped the gag because I'd go pink when the kid's yelled out the line.)

Silly Billy does humour which many people would find offensive. There is no set worldwide moral standard and no way to really test an audience before hand.
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"Also Shrek's accent is Scottish, not British."

On a point of information, British and Scottish are the same. Great Britain is made up of England, Scotland, and Wales with the add on of Northern Ireland. The Scottish are British, although many of them wish they were not!
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what the initial couple of posts are talking about is the structure or house. That's what the behavior is. But what is the foundation? If we truly recognize these things as inappropriate, WHY? Why are they inappropriate? What do we base that judgment on? You see if the foundation is shaky, then so will the building put up on it.


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Scott. I believe the first time a child sees a magic show, this is part of their foundation. If they see someone putting a nappy over their head, picking their nose, or telling fart jokes, they will take note and believe it is acceptable behavior. It is not. In my view, this is not debatable.


Tom, I agree with you. But why is it not acceptable behaviour? I believe Nicholas makes a very critical point in the following quote.

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There is no set worldwide moral standard and no way to really test an audience before hand.


The standard is what I was referring to with the foundation analogy.
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On 2007-09-08 00:52, Tom Riddle wrote:
"Also Shrek's accent is Scottish, not British."

On a point of information, British and Scottish are the same. Great Britain is made up of England, Scotland, and Wales with the add on of Northern Ireland. The Scottish are British, although many of them wish they were not!


Technically & Historically I quess you may be correct.

However listening to a Scottish & British accent, they are TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

To an American ear, Shrek has what we know as a Scottish accent.
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My magic word is "Nikinakinoo", to which I will say to the kids, "Who said I need to have a poo?"..been using this gag for ages, and NEVER had any bother with it at all.
My "Magic lollipops" (Via Dove pan) routine, for the ingrediants, I use a cotton bud with ear wax on it,a tissue that I have blown my nose on, again, I have NEVER had any problems, having said that, I guess it all depends on what type of audience you are playing to, there are some areas in my town, where yes indeed, that type of humour would get me shot....
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"However listening to a Scottish & British accent, they are TOTALLY DIFFERENT!"

Frank, dear chap, I think you are confusing the word "British" with "English". There is no such thing as a British accent. A fellow from Wales and Scotland sounds completely different to a fellow from Liverpool or Yorkshire. However, they are all British and ruled by Her majesty the Queen.
"Yes, Virginia, there really are people named Riddle...isn't that AMAZING! And to think of all the royalties I'm missing out on! SCANDALOUS!"

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I knew that Lord Riddle.....
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So noted.

Thanks for the clarification.

Class is now dismissed.
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1066 Frank....1066
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On 2007-09-08 01:44, Tom Riddle wrote:
However, they are all British and ruled by Her majesty the Queen.


And what a fine job she does as well. As a subject of the commonwealth and a subject of Her majesty the Queen, let me just say that she has a most wonderful job of ruling us. The way in which she...err...ah...um...does stuff like...err.

Well, she has lovely manners.
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Hence the very reason for Australia....
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"Well, she has lovely manners"

Yes she has, Nicholas. She is a wonderful lady. She has helped elevate the image many had of all Australians being scoundrals and the descendants of convicts. The motto of Winchester College is "Manners Maketh Man." I think my new motto will be "Vulgarity maketh a second rate children's entertainer".
"Yes, Virginia, there really are people named Riddle...isn't that AMAZING! And to think of all the royalties I'm missing out on! SCANDALOUS!"

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If Silly Billy is a 2nd rate performer to you, then so be it.
I think he's an awesome performer and a novel thinker.

Why are we so concerned about what someone else is doing? Let's just all have our opinions & leave some FREEDOM in creating an act. Let's stop trying to convince each other what is right or wrong. Why didn't someone correct Picasso when he painted people's eyes all weird? Because it was "art". In that respect, do you contend magic is art, or is it a stringent statistical fact?

Let's leave it an ever-changing art. For the key to magic is mystery, & who knows what is next?
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