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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
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On 2007-09-16 18:52, Corona Smith wrote: Good one Corona, but, no. Most shootings were self inflicted. Those guys were loaded for bear and they'd have a live load chambered with the safety off. Lean the gun against a tree, a fence, or, take a shot at a two legged deer ... decked out in day glow orange.
POOF!
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Or they think it is empty and shoot their pal in the behind....happened to a guy in my command. We thought it was funny.
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
What's scarier still (?) ... some of the people who get behind the wheel of a car with less than a twenty question understanding for a half ton of rolling steel.
POOF!
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2007-09-15 19:26, magicmarkdaniel wrote: ALWAYS keep your stick on the ice. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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coupcoupdaddy Inner circle 2466 Posts |
And a song in your heart.
foreign correspondent, z and lt
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Rupert Bair Inner circle ? 2179 Posts |
Best not to look back on a loaded gun...
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Okay, just so people are on the same level. How many of you have been shot AT? Not in the area where shooting took place I'm talking that you were one of those being shot at outside of a combat situation? I have been. Interestingly I was so drunk it didn't bother me until the next day. What really was bothersome was it was a bar called Howards G-String in Jacksonville Florida, great bar, and I had gone back to it after being stabbed there by a druggy to show I wasn't afraid. I think the site it was at is now the football stadium right there on Bay Street for those of you who know Jax.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2007-09-16 08:45, thomas hastings wrote: Hmm. Here is a 9-year old news article that agrees with the US having the highest rate of the 36 wealthiest nations (many poor nations have much higher rates than the US), but Switzerland is 8th position. http://guncite.com/cnngunde.html The study uses 1994 statistics: "Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05." A quick search turned up nothing newer. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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martini Special user delta, pennsylvania 548 Posts |
Greetings;
This is what I like to see, civilized discussion on a not very magical topic. To answer your question nums, Can I? Yes, Do I? Yes. With so many criminals out there today, who no longer just rob you, but decide to shoot you also, just for the heck of it. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. No one knows if I have my gun on me at any given time, it is not flashed, nor is it referred to. When it is concealed, it is exactly that, concealed. I hope that I may never have to use it, but I have been trained to, and if it came down to him or me, you better believe that I am planning on walking away. With that said, over the years twice a situation happened where I made a decision to just walk away. Having a gun on you and being able to just walk away from a situation without having to draw your weapon, is the best solution, but should the situation turn real ugly real fast, that weapon can put everyone on a more level headed playing field. Nothing will sober up an arogant drunk than seeing that he is heading into a no win situation, and the smart thing to do is just stay level headed and back away. In Baltimore City, a program where you can turn a gun in-no questions ask and get $50 has been in place for some time. If you ever watch the news when they announce these drives, you will note that the people turning in the guns are not the criminals. So people who have held them for protection turn them in and collect $50, but the criminals keep theirs, they know that their gun is worth a lot more than $50 to them. I support everyones choice to decide for themselves, it is your life and your decision. No matter what you decide, there will be people telling you that you are right and there are others that will tell you that you are wrong, but the bottom line is that it is your decision and you have to live with that. Just my 2 cents All the Best Marty |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I guess I'm old fashion. I say if you pull it you better be ready to use it not to just scare off a drunk. That is okay though...if it makes you feel safer more power to ya, just aim for the chest.
What does 'wealthiest' nation have to do with it? Man, anything to get the US on top of the list eh? I'm not surprised by some of the countries on the list. When I was in Brazil the purses I saw had holsters built into them and they have some serious crime areas. I'll tell you this, the wealthy in Brazil are not doing the killing so that has nothing to do with it. In Finland everyone has a weapon, that was in case the Russians rolled into town for a visit. Didn't even know Finland was a wealthiest nation, Mexico? Wealthiest? Say, I have an idea, pass the Kyoto Accord, send the rest of US manufacturing to Asia, that way the US will no longer be a wealthy nation and we will no longer be number one! Yeah! Remember, statistics are like bikinis, what they reveal is interesting, what they conceal is vital. |
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
If you carry a gun your a dangerous paranoid criminal wacko nut who should just stay home. If you don't your a coward.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts |
I can, I would, but I don't.
I know someone who did some research and found that violent crime rates varied inversely with conceal and carry laws. I won't say more than that because I don't have the statistics on hand to bear me out. But that's enough of that. Josh #17,632 |
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts |
I can't and I wouldn't because I just don't need to.
The trouble the US is that you have so many guns that simply restricting them by law would not necessarily prevent gun violence as so many people would simply break the laws, keeping guns for criminal purposes or for self protection. Guns are like a cancer, they can not simply be cut out by legislation. The solution seems to be either a) ensure the law abiding citizens understand how to use and keep a gun and take the risk that those citizens are not vigilantes or wack jobs or b) wage all out war on guns, purging the country of every last weapon, costing billions. However, here in Australia, we have some guns and gun violence but not so much that restriction is not successful. For example, over ten years ago we had the Port Arthur Massacre where dozens of people were shot dead. The government put a ban on semi automatic weapons and now we have few shootings of that type. The most recent one involved a handgun shooting with one man dying and one man critically injured. Had semi-automatic weapons been available I hate to think what the result would have been. tha said, when the zombie apocalypse comes, I'll pick up my AK47 and start blasting away the undead. |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On 2007-09-16 11:10, Chrystal wrote: In "The Glory Road," Heinlein has a character wearing a sword in downtown LA. He gets grabbed by the cops and charged with carrying a concealed weapon. When he protests that the sword is right on his side and not "concealed," the cop responds; "Sure it is. It's 'concealed' by that scabbard! Let's go, buddy!" Quote:
On 2007-09-16 17:30, Matt Colman wrote: I'm hearing Arlo Gunthrie in "Alice's Restaurant!"
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
"Men, we're sending you off to fight crime with the best weapon ever invented ... a semi-automatic hockey stick, complete with a role of tape. If a hockey game should break out, you'll each be provided with a mouthpiece, a goalie mask and a white hanky!"
POOF!
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Margarette Special user Memphis area 956 Posts |
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On 2007-09-17 00:24, MagicSanta wrote: I took a self-defense class a few years ago and asked about "concealed carry" (someone had asked about pepper spray, so I thought it was a good follow up question). The instructor asked the class, "who here is thinking of getting a concealed carry permit," and over half the class raised their hands. Second question he asked was, "how many of you could shoot-to-kill with this handgun you will be carrying if you get your concealed carry?" I was the only one to keep my hand raised. The instructor looked at the class, pointed to me and said, "then she is the only one who should even THINK about getting the permit." Margarette
The only stupid question is the one not asked.
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gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts |
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On 2007-09-20 02:39, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote: The only reason I ever considered owning a gun. Zombie Apocalypse. I am not truly anti gun. Despite my city boy appearance, I lived on a farm for years. There, guns had a real purpose. Gotta protect the chickens from the weasels, possums, raccoons, rats, feral dogs and occasional coyote. I've taken gun safety courses, and even done some competition shooting. Guns do have their purpose. I am however of the opinion that 80% of the population is not stable enough to carry one with them at all times. For those who travel in dangerous areas, or transport valuables or are in the business of protecting others (Or live on a farm)...Yes. Carry a gun. Otherwise, I just don't see the point. Gwyd |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Margaret should get a gun cuz she could have shot that tree that attacked her house a few years ago.
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Dustin Baker Inner circle California 1006 Posts |
I've never been trained in the proper use and handling of a handgun (though I doubt it's that complicated), so I do not carry or own one for that matter. I intend on purchasing a handgun when I have the time to get the training.
- Now that the background is established, I would probably carry a gun on certain occasions, or to certain locations. Current defensive prep: When I was younger, I was trained in Ninjutsu (that IS the proper spelling by the way) as well as Akkido more recently. I carry assorted situational defense items depending on where I'm going that day, but due to the cross training of the 2 arts, almost anything I can find could potentially be a weapon (yes, I am being vague on purpose). Since California law is set on protecting criminals rather than victims, I rely on the tactic of immobalizing and/or neutralizing a threat before "strategic retreat". Knock 'em down/out and run away. This works in any case where you can feasably vacate the area. In conditions where you are simply trapped and killing your opponent becomes a matter of survival (a gun could legally be used in the same circumstance), a focused blow in a "kill zone" (there are about 40) can do as much damage as a bullet (without the mess). This is effective against multiple opponents, assuming you can generate the needed force for a killing blow the given number of times. If I have another person with me or was going to a densly populated area, I would probably avoid using a gun. Bullets can kill basserby as well as their targets, so I wouldn't risk it in those senarios.
Think inside the box. . . it's less crowded.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
This is fascinating. I must confess that I am surprised by the number of people who state that they feel the need for firearm protection.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have a sense of the probability that situations requiring deadly force will show up at some point of their (civilian) lives? John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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