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mitchb2
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If I want to learn one C&B routine, with maximum impact for a beginner, not too long, what would you suggest?
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I'd suggest getting Michael Ammar's "Complete Cups and Balls" DVD. It is a 2 disk set (also sold separately) that covers everything C&B.

You can then learn the basic moves and routines and come up with something that is all you and works best in your hands.

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The C&B routine is definitely one of the all time classics.

You should also check with Bill Palmer, a Café member, and visit his C&B museum. It is amazing! There was a fantastic write-up of him in the August 2007 issue of M-U-M magazine from the SAM. It's a good story.

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I second Michael Ammars DVD's they are great...another one you can check out is Carl Andrews table hopping cups and balls
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There is a good beginners routine in Mark Wilson's Complete Course.

It stands on its own and makes a good starting place to develop a more personalised routine.
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If you are a beginner, Michael Ammar's routine may be too advance for you. Try out something simpler such as the routine from Mark Wilson's Course. Then as you get familiarised with the routine, expand from there.

Michael Ammar's routine is good but it will take you a long time before you can master it or confident and proficient enough to show it.
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Hi,

First of all buy a Cups and Balls set, a magic wand and a close up pad. And of course yo need Michaedl Ammars Dvds.

good luck,


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For a beginner the Mark Wilson routine is the way to go. Then Dai Vernon.
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Depends what you want to do with C&B. Any book of basic magic will get you started with the cups. A lot of guys here have mentioned Ammar's routine, but I think it's a difficult routine for a beginner.

A Mark Wilson's book has a great routine for a beginner who likes to read, Twin city magic puts out a DVD that has 5-6 good unique routines (including Johnny Paul's!) and I've personally love Gazzo's "street cups" dvd and book.

Cups and balls is a very modular routine so as soon as you learn some of the individual bits, you'll be able to lash them together into a routine of your own.
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I would also suggest learning the chop cup routine, starting with Don Alan's routine. Chop cup routine are quick and the finale can be strong too.
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Hi,

I think best way to start is Michael Ammar.

magicially yours,


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Michael Ammar's routine is actually a derivation from Dai Vernon's routine - and both are very good routines.

For a beginner who wants to learn a routine and start performing it in a very short time, Michael's routine is too advance and take a lot of work before being able to perform it.

The original post by mitchb2 is ...

"If I want to learn one C&B routine, with maximum impact for a beginner, not too long, what would you suggest? "

If mitchb2 already has some experience with cups and balls, then I would fully agree with recommending Michael Ammar's routine.

Here's a thread from the Café that touches more than 100+ cups and balls routines and may be of help.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&217
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Bob White has a good dvd on the cups and balls.
mitchb2
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Thanks for all the replies. I do have the Mark Wilson book and will refer to that to get started.

I have a combo set, and I've been practicing a short chop cup routine, but haven't attacked C&B yet.

Question: do I need 4 non-gimmicked balls? Because I only got 3 with my set.
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Mitch, if you are just doing a standard cups and ball routine using 3 balls and if you need the one ahead, then you need 4 balls. Since they are non-gimmicked you can easily find 4 balls of the similar size and still perform with them.

Examples of balls others used are - pom-pom balls, rubber balls, silicon balls, smiley balls, etc. As long as you can get similar size or any size you are comfortable with, then it's ok with any balls.

Chop cup routines are very powerful in the eyes of the lay public. Test your routine out with as many lay audience and you will experience the power of that routine.
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Thanks, guys. I started on the Mark Wilson routine.
It's very straight-forward and "classic."

My cups don't nest very well, but that's okay. They were cheap, and the chop cup itself is fine.

A friend of mine says he's learning a chop cup routine that uses little toy mice. Interesting.
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Trying out different items for the finale of your chop cup routine and testing them on the audience may help you discover the ideal load for your routine. The response of the audience will indicate whether your choice is correct or not.
mitchb2
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Heh, well I did it for some close friends.
At the end I said, "You probably think at this point that I'm using an extra ball. Well that's just crap" as I revealed rubber dog doo.

But normally I use a potato. Smile
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How did they response to that?
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James ,
I may be mistaken but I think you misunderstood one of the early posts on this thread. They were advocating Amar's cups and balls teaching dvd's - not his routine. I'm sure you are familiar amars complete Cups and balls - It a wealth of about c&b's- enough material to construst more than a basic routine that suit one's needs . Read those early posts . Gaddy also seems to believe that they are advocating Amar's toutine .But that isn't the case.
Blessings+++,
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God's grace rocks! It makes a good cups and balls routine look pretty boring in comparison.
JamesTong
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Padre rich, thanks for bringing this out. I am aware that they are advocating Michael Ammar's and Bob White's work and I totally agree that their routines are excellent.

But from a newbie point of view who want to pick up something fast and perform it quickly then Ammar's and White's work would be out of reach for the moment. That is why I am suggesting something easier.

But on the other hand, if Mitch already is skilled with the basic cups and balls moves, then I would also recommend Michael Ammar's and Bob White's routines.

Anyway, the suggestions above are also excellent. We are all viewing the post and answering it from a different perspective or context.
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