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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
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On 2007-11-18 15:28, matthewmello wrote: You'd rather insist that you're right rather than correct your errors. And you appear utterly uneducable, not even able to comprehend the "original" meaning of Sayonara. You seem to be unclear on the concept of "originality" in general. Why do I even bother? Not to teach you, but to warn potential purchasers. Either change your ways, or suffer the consequences. You fought, now you're fleeing. How about maturely acknowledging your errors and correcting them? Ah, forget it, what's the use? Experience will teach you. |
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KMan1564 Loyal user 228 Posts |
Sorry but I won't be giving my last name on a message board. I also don't feel the need to qualify myself for what appears to be a grown man acting like a 12 year old.
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
***!
Arnon, do you read PMs sometimes?????
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
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On 2007-11-19 19:11, Lord Of The Horses wrote: Anytime from you, Paolo I've replied too. Arnon |
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
Just one more thing to add, for those still interested in this effect - another effect that was also based on an old principle apparently unknown to the "independent creator" who also failed to do any research, is called "Symbiose." Like here, there was absolutely no crediting to anyone.
You can read about that one at http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109 Notice any parallels to the Instinct/Impulse DVD situation? I do. |
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matthewmello Special user 786 Posts |
Arnon,
Would you just give it a rest? You've said it 100 times already....everyone gets it...I made a mistake. And now you seem to have taken it upon yourself to call attention to everyone else's...I'm sure you've made a mistake before. On my next DVD I'll be sure to include all the credits that I know of for it. But, to be penalized/talked down to for not knowing methods that are RARE without having CERTAIN books/dvd's is just rediculous. Hopefully this is will be the end of it. Matthew Mello |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 03:19, matthewmello wrote: . . . 'nuff said! I thing that's enough. Over to main topic. Thank you Sir! With kind regards, Narendra P.S. As I mentioned earlier, INSTINCT is a nice effect. The method of placing the NAIL in the cup is new & unique.
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 03:19, matthewmello wrote: If you admit that you made a mistake, then fix it! Don't wait for "the next DVD" - TCB now and give proper credits for both effects. |
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matthewmello Special user 786 Posts |
The principle behind Instinct has been utilized by Larry Becker, Docc Hilford, and many other's. I applied this principle to a Russian Roulette...which hadn't been done before. Had I known this principle was in existence prior to releasing Instinct...I would of put these credits onto the DVD.
The principle behind Impulse had also been utilized before...but once again...I applied this idea to a different effect to make it my own. This method has been used by Kenton Knepper on The Desert Brainstorm Series in his effect "The Five Bill Miracle". Kenton gives credits on the DVD to another party...which I don't know because I do not own the DVD's. Money doesn't simply grow on trees where I am from. So, if Arnon would kindly get on and post the original credits for that principle...it would be greatly appreciated. Once again, had I been aware prior to the release of Instinct...I would have put the proper credits onto the DVD. Matthew Mello |
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
Mr. Mello:
Thank you for finally "coming clean." I will check on the exact credit for the method behind "Impulse" within the next couple of days, and get back to you, so that proper credits for the methods underlying both effects can be placed on the DVD itself or the packaging material (a sticker is all that's necessary). It would also be appropriate to add that content to the advertising material. Sincerely, Arnon |
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
Mr. Mello:
Both "Instinct" and "Impulse" are based on two old, very similar principles. The principle underlying "Instinct" has been used by Larry Becker, Docc Hilford and others, without pinpointing the originator, to the best of my knowledge. Likewise, the principle underlying "Impulse" has been used by Kenton Knepper in his presentation, "The Five-Bill Miracle" on the Desert Brainstorm series, volume 2, but he only mentions that the principle "has been around as long as he has lived in Phoenix" and that at one point, he had written it up in a manuscipt and sold it to a publisher which is now out of business. He never identifies who first discovered the principle. If I were putting this out, I would have done my "due diligence" by asking Max Maven, a veritable walking encyclopedia of magic and mentalism, about the exact origins of these two very similar principles. I hesitate to do this for you, since you are presumably adult enough to take care of your own business. I feel that if you decide to do the "right thing," then you should contact Max Maven, add his input to my two paragraphs posted above, and attach the information to the DVD and its packaging. Sincerely, Arnon |
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AshleyW Regular user 174 Posts |
I feel some posts here have been misleading.
Someone asked if the audience tries to fool you while your back is turned and changes the contents of the cups, Matthew claims that the magi would know it. I own this, and I fail to see how that is possible. You would NOT know if they had changed the contents of the cup! This could mean you pick the wrong cup! It is also NOT 100% foolproof. In fact, Matthew makes an error in presenting it on the DVD (when he uses the camera man as his assistant)and almost screws up, which would have ended up in a hospital trip! Also, not ANY cups can be used, but most crushable cups can be used. My review: 6/10 The simple "secret" to this effect could have been put in an easy to download pdf. In fact, it would have only taken 20 words to give you everything you need to perform this. Why make this into a dvd? The presentational part was not very good. You will be able to present this with much more enthusiasm and character than Matthew (sorry Matt!) I'm just a little taken back that you seemed like you were almost ready for a nap when you recorded this. I was hoping this could also be used with a "peek" blindfold, but due to the seriousness of the danger element here, I would suggest against it, also, anyone with poor vision, I suggest against this as well. Too much a chance for failure. It does come with a bonus effect as has been talked about, but it too could be explained in about 20 words. I like it, I just wish we could have saved the wasted materials of the dvd and made it even cheaper. It's one of those dvds you watch once and that's all you need. The secret is that simple. I give it a 6/10 And I wish people would leave Matt alone about the crediting, he has already apologized. Enough already. |
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matthewmello Special user 786 Posts |
Hey,
If you are confused about how you wouldn't know if they changed the cup..please PM me and I will explain it further. As for the presentation comment...I am not like that with EVERY effect. I am simply that way with Instinct because well...I like to create more of a somber tone when performing it. I'm not gonna be all happy and giddy and trying to make the spectators happy...when I am performing an effect of this type. And as for the tierd comment...it was like 100 degrees in the place that we filmed it. The doors were shut to keep out noise...and I was dying . Please don't take this as me attacking you...because that wasn't my intention. Matthew Mello |
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AshleyW Regular user 174 Posts |
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On 2007-11-30 14:23, matthewmello wrote: Well I can understand that. I hate a hot room. I didn't mean you had to be giddy and goofy in presentation, I just don't like the Blaine-ish presentation. Thanks for the PM on the cups and if they were to change things around, you did cover that on the dvd however, again, I feel it is being a little misrepresented here. The fact is they would find out that it is impossible to change contents without destroying the cup, and so that is how it should be worded here. Matthew, if they destroy the correct cup by taking out the nail & putting it in another cup, you still would not know what cup they put it in. You would see the destroyed cup, but still not know which cup holds the nail. Listen, it's a great trick I just don't want people hurt here. If the audience changes contents, you cannot finish the trick...it's impossible. Also for the bills or eggs in the cups, they CAN change the contents and you would never know that either. I encourage everyone to buy the trick and perform it, But also know it's limitations and risks! |
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matthewmello Special user 786 Posts |
Right..if you turn around and feel any indictation that they changed the cup...obviously don't continue on. It's simple common sense.
Matthew Mello |
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gnosis Regular user 110 Posts |
What happens if, while the magician's back is turned and unbeknown to the magician, the spectators put other dangerous objects underneath the cups the magician thought were empty? Will the magician know it when he faces the cups?
Also, does anyone have any ideas for performing this outside on a windy day? I intend to make this part of my street show, and wind is just a fact of life on the street that you have to be prepared for. Am I just going to have to reserve this effect for the times there is no wind? |
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts |
A most interesting thread. I did feel that Arnon's points were valid, though I suppose things got a bit heated, so there was a lengthy exchange which might have been better done by PMs. Arnon was, after all, just making some important observations, and giving us historical information. That is what the Magic Café is all about.
Overall, reading through the posts, I'd be wary of this. The alternative PK ring method is pretty much 100% safe, although we all know of disastrous occasions when performers - and spectators - have had their hands impaled! This, of course, makes the plot a VERY intriguing one for spectators - and especially magicians - the effect has me cringing every time! I still believe that the BEST method is Scott Alexander's - "Shattered". A very convincing effect, and the smashing of the bottle is in itself great theatre. From what I've read here, "Instinct" depends on the spectator leaving the object under the cup it was originally placed under (correct me if I'm wrong). So, even if the method is unique, surely most spectators will simply assume that you somehow marked the cup. And, if I'm right, that is, in effect, what happens - though the term "marked" may be a misnomer. If it's neccessary to have the spectators be "obedient", and NOT to move the object into another cup, I feel it's rather weak. And certainly far from 100% safe. Despite a long thread, there is very little here from folks who actually use the effect, giving us confirmation that this effect really does play exactly as described. And, I guess the fact that the thread has laid dormant for several years, means that in truth, it really isn't all it's cracked up to be? Perhaps someone who knows "Shattered" and "Instinct" could compare the two effects? "Shattered" is REALLY 100% safe. (Though apparently someone once cut themselves on a shard of the actual broken bottle!!) AND it's a very strong and effective presentation. Potty |
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
I love this!
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Lou Cirulli Special user 587 Posts |
I purchased this when it first came out a few years ago! I use to love doing it. That was until one night while performing at a party the smoking hot spectator that I chose to move the cups around decided to try and move the nail to another cup! Luckily I knew what she did as she was taking too long to move the cups around. I refused to continue on and that was the last time I did it. That was probably 2 years ago! I don't want to chance another smart alec trying to get the better of me!
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
John Riggs has a SIMPLE method to know if people is moving the nail /spike from one cup to another...
Then you'll rise right before my eyes, on wings that fill the sky, like a phoenix rising!
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