Nedim, I agree that cigarette manipulation is a very enjoyable routine to perform with. And if you are also a smoker it is even more enjoying. I am a smoker too and I enjoy every puff I have during the routine. LOL

Yes I agree, you can relax on stage for a moment.


magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel

Keep also in mind that you can take cigarette moves and learn to apply them to like or similar objects to create completely different and creative ideas that stretch the manipulative arts.

For example a lolipop is brought out and the wrapper is undone. Instead of ditching it the paper is litand a ball is shown in the hand. The magician looks at the other hand with the lolopopand stem and realizes the lolipop part (ball) is gone and he isleft with the stem only. (transposition). This concept then opens itself upfor both billiard ball moves as wellas cig moves with the stem of the lolipop.

In this example it is merely to show you that moves are just moves. We can broaden our magic and creativity by applying what we already know to objects of similar shape and sizes. When one does this,we are notlimiting ourselves to the morecommon objects associated with manipulative magic.

Just something to think about.

Kyle

Regarding dummy cigarettes.

When I briefly ventured into cigarette manipulation (many years I 1st got into magic) I paid a visit to the local tobaccanist shop. They don't seem to exsist anymore and indeed the one I originally went to closed down many years ago. Anyway, the cigarette packets that were used in the window displays were all dummy packets and they contained dummy cigarettes too. These were filled with a sort of fiberous foam rubber so they had the give and feel of an ordinary cigarette but lasted through months and months of clumsy practice from me.

Maybe it's worth looking out the few specialist tobacco outlets that are still around. I remember the shop owner being very pleasent and letting me have a whole load of dummy packets that he didn't put out on display, for free.

cheers Neal

Great suggestion Neal. Thanks for sharing that with us. It certainly is worth a shot. The art of asking can be a very powerful thing indeed. =)

Kyle

I think the original poster is interested in cigarette manipulation, specificly Slydini's cigarette Fantasy and which type of real cigs people use.

Thank you everyone for the wonderful suggestions. I've decided to use dummy cigarettes for now to practice, and I will move on to using a combination of real/fake cigarettes as I progress.

That makes the most sense Jaybs. that way you can rehearse a lot with the fake ones and get the moves down and then determine which set up works best for you based both upon the moves you want to do and the sequences in the act itself. Let us know how it goes for you.

Kyle

Jaybs, we will love to watch your routine clips. Let us know when you have put it up at youtube.

I don't understand this post...don't the preceeding posts in this thread deal with cigarette manipulation? give the requested source for Slydini's Cigarette Fantasy? (unfortunately now out of print) and suggest what cigarette types might be best to use/practice with? The original poster even thanked everyone for their suggestions. What point were you trying to make manal?

Neal

That cig threads always end up off topic usually discussing how difficult it is to perform cig magic due to non smoking in public , political correctness, the ill health affects etc... and things that can be used INSTEAD of cigs.
Dummies can add much to a routine, especially if you want to make endless stage productions.There are many sleights you can use with dummies however most confine themselves to the Thumb grip.Using dummies rules out many sleights possible with real cigs only, mainly the many pinches though many other sleights and effects as well.
I enjoy using real cigs as I nearly always end up lighting it and or doing a broken and restored during a routine.
I was under the impression the original poster wanted to know what real smokes people were using as that is specifically what he asked about.
Short and to the point , I enjoy cig magic and enjoy reading posts from others that do as well. Unfortunately they always become threads about what can be used instead. Kinda like if you read a post requesting info on the cups and balls and the disscussion became rather quickly what you could use intead like hats and raisins or bowls and mice or just light the balls on fire and produce lollipops instead.

Manal: what he actually wrote was


There isn't a single post in this thread about political correctness, smoking in public, health issues etc...

Specifically the original post asked for a source for a specific Slydini Cigarette routine, and a source was given.

Specifically he asked what brand name OR TYPE of cigarettes people have used that don't shed tobacco. Several suggestions were given. Yours was one (camel) with the clever addition of extra papers. Dummy cigarttes was another equally possible suggestion.

You posted that you issues with dummmy cigarette regarding certain pinch sleights; I posted a solution to that problem by using a different kind of dummy cig and a possible source for them. Others suggested the use of both dummies for the body of a routine and real ones where you need them as a compromise between sturdiness while keeping the flexibility to light up.

Is any of this off topic? Or is it in fact direct useful responses to specific questions and queries? I think that as the original poster was thankful for the imput and liked the idea of using the dummy cigs we can assume the latter.

It may not happen often but at it's best this forum becomes a place where magicians help out their fellow magicians. This thread has been one of those occassions.

You obviously have a general gripe about an issue regarding posts on cigarette magic being taken off topic and you might for all I know, generally speaking, have a point. It's ironic then that you chose a completely inappropriate thread in which to voice it.

Neal

There isn't a single post in this thread about political correctness, smoking in public, health issues etc...


You obviously have a general gripe about an issue regarding posts on cigarette magic being taken off topic and you might for all I know, generally speaking, have a point. It's ironic then that you chose a completely inappropriate thread in which to voice it.

Neal
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You are correct and my post was an attempt to keep the thread from heading that direction. Do a search on cig magic and you will see the source of my frustration.
My second post was in response to your inquiry.
I ain't lookin fer a ****in match.

Just to clarify the above asterisks represent a p an I and 2 s's

Could the reason that you're not looking for a p1ssin match be that you don't need a match because you've gone over to using dummy cigaretes?

That's my attempt to try and leave this on a lighter note. (although of course you don't need a lighter if you're now using dummy....)

Neal

No dummies but I must confess a desire to purchase or make a few of those Puff Puff cigs.

And the Vicar shouted "Fire and brimstone fell from the sky" when from the balcony came a small still voice..."ang on Vicar the cats P1ssed on me matches"

I am glad Jabys found the knowledge he sought.

I am off to read Keith Clark.
Jim