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I'm considering buying one of these tricks.
Which do you consider is the best effect. Is one easier to do than another (set up, palm, gimmick?)

Thanks, Brian
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Brian:
I'm a bit confused...there's a brainwave deck, a packet trick from Nick Trost called "Eight Card Brainwave," Twisted Sisters and Phil Goldstein's B'wave.

I'd recommend Twisted Sisters if you do a pretty decent Elmsley Count. If you don't, B'wave is great; no sleights required. Eight Card Brainwave is powerful packet stuff with a minimal move (the Olram Subtlety), and the Brainwave deck is gaffed...so you can do it, and nothing else, with the deck.

Hope this helps.
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If you HAVE to get a "trick," bg, then get Twisted Sisters, but you should really buy a book.

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I agree with Max. If you have 15 dollars to spend, spend it on Phil Goldstein's new book, Redivider. It is great!!!! But if you insist on getting only one trick, then I recommend B'wave. Smile
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I agree with dpe666; Brainwave is the way to go. You'll perform it much more often then you will Twisted Sisters, although that too is an incredible effect.

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On 2003-02-16 13:05, stevepr104 wrote:

I'd recommend Twisted Sisters if you do a pretty decent Elmsley Count. If you don't, B'wave is great; no slights required.


I've never used an Elmsley Count for either Twisted Sisters or B'Wave. All that does is make it into a magic trick where named cards flip over. Without it, both tricks become very clean pieces of mentalism, and in my experience, gets a stronger reaction.
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I don't know the Elmsley count so I assume Twisted Sisters is more of a sleight?
Also, Brainwave is offered as a packet trick (4 cards I think) or an entire deck (invisible deck of which I'm not familiar). Which of these gets the best reaction?
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I have B'wave (pronounced "b'wave," not 'Bee-wave"), which is the packet trick I think you're referring to.
It gets incredible results. Think of Twisted Sisters as B'wave times two. You really cannot go wrong with B'wave, if you're into packet tricks. The only possible shortcoming is that you can't hand out the packet for inspection afterwards.
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On 2003-02-16 21:05, stevepr104 wrote:
I have B'wave (pronounced "b'wave," not 'Bee-wave"), which is the packet trick I think you're referring to.


Thank GOD! Someone else in here who can read (I hate hearing "Bee-Wave"). Also, as far as inspection goes, I have NEVER had anyone ask to inspect the cards. My theory is this: Lay people do not know about trick cards. They only know about trick DECKS. Smile
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I have always called it BEE'wave Smile Never knew it was wrong either. You should have told me when I saw you at Brad Burt's lol. BTW, David, check your PM's

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If you do not know the Elmsley count, I recommend Brad Burt's teaching video on small packets. Brad does an excellent job in teaching this false count and the Elmsley count is a must for small packet tricks.
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Brian,

As you can see, opinions vary here. The fact is, both are technically easy to perform. Both evoke string reactions. Both deserve practice and well-thought out presentations to maximize their impact (yes, you could perform either within a short time of getting them, but that is not a good practice). Both are easy to mess up and expose their secrets.

I'd suggest buying Twisted Sisters first, and learning the Elmsley Count. It is worthwhile to use the Elmsley Count in the presentation, though not absolutely necessary. The time you spend learning and practicing the count will hopefully prevent you from demoing the effect too soon. Also, once you learn the Elmsley count, knew doors will open for you. You won't get these benefits from the Brainwave Deck.

And that's just one more opinion among many!
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Not to pimp my stuff, but if you do buy B'Wave, check out my handling for it in my Mind Control Booklet, or on the video. Smile
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Not Bee-Wave, B'wave. Not Bee-Wave, B'wave. Man, this is going to be hard to get used to.
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David...
You work with Brad; isn't his shop the land of the free and the home of the B'wave?

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Steve

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I would recommend using B'wave and Twisted Sisters together. Think of the uses together you could come up with.
Good luck to all.
Rick... Smile
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Is the Elmsley count easy to master? Where can I find a good teaching resource for it? I'm pretty interested in the 2 tricks mentioned above so I'm just wondering when can I start using it.
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I have a bee wave deck and a brainwave packet with Bee back trick cards that I never Elmsley count but keep it all totally mental because I am a mental kind of guy.
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I'd purchase both and then see which one you like better. They're both great effects.

Also, once you have both, let your mood determine which one you perform on a particular day. If it doesn't feel like a Twisted Sisters day, then at least you have another option to keep you motivated.

Brian
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