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teejay
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Hi
I am getting to grips with a memorized deck
I am now looking for really powerful mentalism effects?
What is your favourite one?
Here is mine
I was at a dealer's day and saw a demo of a mind reading effect with 3 people at once. The magician refused to discuss it and said he would never divulge the 'secret'
It baffled all the magicians there
I now know that the effect can be simulated using Discovered by Richard Sanders What I've heard of Ceremony of the Immortals which MAY be similar
TJ
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I like to stack unusual things, like the major arcana. I have a tarot reading routine where I shuffle, have the spec take 7 cards and explain that a real psychic shouldn't need to see the cards first. He should be able to pick up impressions about them. I give a reading in 7 parts, identifying each card after I've given her the part of the reading each pertains to. As I get each right, she puts it on the table face up until there are none left.
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Hi Jon.


This is a beautiful idea.

I did it myself as a pilot to the Uri Geller show in Israel.

The concept of memorized tarot deck ( rapped with red silk and a candle on the table) is great and throw the audince of the method.(also some magicians)

TeeJay,
My Favorite routine is without a doubt ACAAN but I heard a LOT of great things on Nemecosis by Tamriz.

I just don't see how I can play it to big audience.

Have fun
ROi
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My personal favorite is Max Maven's Ancient Las Vegas Pulse Reading. I have used a personal variation of it (and different variations to fit the show) in some way for at least two years now. It's absolutely beautiful. I remember the first time I saw him do it live at a lecture, I genuinly thought it was read mind reading even though I knew better.
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I'm sure there are others, but Angelo Stagnero was recently seen selling a pack of 52 cards with 13 different symbols repeated in four different colors. The idea being that you could duplicate any memorized deck routine but end with "You're thinking of a blue house" rather than "You're thinking of the two of spades." It gets away from it being a card trick.

I offer no links, but I'm sure some quality time on Google can get you some leads. PM me if you want his e-mail address.
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Try Darwin Ortiz's Zen Master. Darwin himself says this is one of the most powerful effects he performs. I use it in my parlor shows and it is absolutely fabulous.

Steve
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On 2007-10-09 10:53, JasonLinett wrote:
I'm sure there are others, but Angelo Stagnero was recently seen selling a pack of 52 cards with 13 different symbols repeated in four different colors. The idea being that you could duplicate any memorized deck routine but end with "You're thinking of a blue house" rather than "You're thinking of the two of spades." It gets away from it being a card trick.

I offer no links, but I'm sure some quality time on Google can get you some leads. PM me if you want his e-mail address.



O.D.D.S.
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True, but O.D.D.S. is a system of 26 words (or less). O.D.D.S. does offer better drawing samples, when Stagnero's pack (if he is the creator, I forget) is mostly geometric shapes. The downfall of the pack in my mind was that one of the colors was a very light yellow. Impossible to see yellow shapes on a white card on stage.
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On 2007-10-09 07:02, roi_tau wrote:
Hi Jon.

This is a beautiful idea.

I did it myself as a pilot to the Uri Geller show in Israel.

The concept of memorized tarot deck ( rapped with red silk and a candle on the table) is great and throw the audince of the method.(also some magicians)

Oh yes! There's a local psychic who's heard about this routine and wants to meet me. Smile
teejay
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Yikes!
Loads of good stuff
As soon as I perfect (lol) my '52 card' stack, I intend starting on my Tarot deck
If I had known how easy (relatively) it was to learn a stack, I would have gone for a
Tarot stack right off. The stack I'm learning is the BCS
I do Invisible Tarot which means that Jon's idea is of great interest
Anybody who likes memorized decks and does readings should get this great book
Jon, I take it that the reading you start with is a .... reading?
Any more? Please give references if you can i.e Books, DVDs etc.
When this thread runs out of steam, I'll start one on memorized Tarot effects
That should be fun
Cheers
TJ
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On 2007-10-10 06:22, teejay wrote:
Jon, I take it that the reading you start with is a .... reading?

Yup, it's just sort of backwards, if you see what I mean. The spectator takes some cards (usually 7), keeps them to herself, and I begin a reading, gradually revealing enough detail to be able to identify which card signifies that detail. She then places it on the table face up and we keep going until they're all identified and she has her completed reading.
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I did the same thing with tarot a few years ago after Joe Riding released the idea using only the minor cards and the Si Stebbins set-up - I've got a good clip of me doing a reading like this for a presenter on radio and it plays very very strong.
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I think perhaps the strength of this type of effect comes from the idea that the spec is taking in the detail you're "receiving" and you're showing the meaning it holds for her. I used to use the minor arcana in a modified Stebbins 3 stack, but I'd need to re-learn all 56 pictures if I were to do it today. The major arcana is much easier with only 22!
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TJ:
Are you looking for "memorized" or "stacked" work? ....two different thing, of course.

You mention memorized, but if it stack work you are looking for then perhaps check out Doc Hilford's two volumes of "Killer Mentalism with Cards." This is the stack I use(very user-friendly) and combine it with some of his, and Richard Osterlind's, great stack-based effects.
It is well-worth checking out if this is an area you wish to explore further.

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teejay
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Hi Gabe
My book is called,
"How to develop a perfect memory" by Dominic O'Brien
It is now a collectors item and hard to get cheap.
I'm sure that the journey method is also in one of his other very cheap used books.
His book,
"How to develop a perfect memory week by week"
has a chapter called The Journey.
Here is the link:
amazon.com
Can anybody say if O'B's Journey method is in any of his cheaper, later books?
Cheers,
TJ
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Hi Gabe
I have had a good look at my copy of How to Develop a Brilliant Memory
It is very different from the 'week by week' book . All the chapters have different names
My book has a chapter called How to memorize a pack of playing cards. This chapter refers to 2 other chapters:
How to remember numbers and
Memory and the Greeks
None of these chapters are in 'week by week' book
I know some of the readers will know and can help?
Does the 'week by week' book have the same journey method as
O'B's original book?
If not, Abebooks have the 'week by week' book for $3 lol
Cheers
TJ
teejay
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Here are some posts:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/searc......=3381975
Have fun
Learning this method gave me a lot of fun, it so easy
TJ
:)
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Some additional thoughts on full-deck stacks, and the memorization of same, can be found here.
Doug Dyment's Deceptionary :: Elegant, Literate, Contemporary Mentalism ... and More
JasonLinett
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If you can find the now out-of-print book, I always throw in the recommendation for Martin Joyal's "Six Hour Memorized Deck" stack as well as the book. This was my first exposure to the memorized deck, and I quickly learned the rules and the stack. I'm still using it nearly ten years later. The rules Joyal created allow you to learn the stack easily. The rules also fade away the more you use it and you then really know the stack by the numbers. It's also a good looking stack - it looks shuffled, and the six of diamonds (number 52) always holds a breather crimp well.

My only critique is if you're keen on a lot of counting, there are a few cards that fall on their same number positions - sevens are found at 7, 14, 21, and 28. But I'm proud to say that whenever I've done ACAAN, I've always had to adjust to some extent, and this situation doesn't show the stack.
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I agree that Jon's idea on using the Tarot cards for a reading is excellent. Rather than having them take out a clump, though, I would have them cut the cards several times and remove the cards cut to. This would give them a better feeling that they are somehow in control of the selection of each individual card, which is critical to selling the reading.

As for good mem deck effects, I am particularly partial to Mnemonicosis by Tamiriz. If anyone uses this effect, PM me and I can give you a tip that has helped me make this much more deceptive.
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