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GeorgeSantos Inner circle San Diego, CA 1106 Posts |
Hello to all coin workers. Here's the deal. I have this fascination with Chinese coins. In fact, I like using them better than coins like half dollars, copper coins, and the like. In my opinion, they just seem flashy and more eye catching.
I'm in the process of building up a routine using them. However, all I have right now are four half dollar sized Feng Shui Chinese Coins. They are good to work with. However, I'm having problem with their weight. They have their pros and cons. I'm looking specifically for Chinese Coins (for magic) with some weight available in the US. I plan to make my own set with an ex[. I have searched the Café, and I found that the Royal Magic Chinese Coins are not that polished in quality. According to this post, http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......3&34 , they have bad quality. I have found out that Todd Lassen sells Chinese Coins, too. http://www.toddlassen.com/mec.htm They are a work of art, a bit pricey though. How does the Tango Chinese Coins compare to the Sterling Chinese Coins and Johnson Chinese Coins out in the market? Also, I have found these... http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=MI2937 Does anybody know if these coins are in half dollar sizes? If the paint in the Chinese Coins used for magic chips off, would the application of nail polish to the coin prevent the chipping off of the paint? Which brand do you think gives the most bang for the buck? I'd appreciate your thoughts on these matters.
"David Roth is the greatest coin manipulator in the entire world.."
-Dai Vernon "The Professor" I AM A FILIPINO MAGICIAN |
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smithpaul60 Veteran user South Carolina 301 Posts |
For a cheap version of the Lassen 4 coin set, look up "Chinese Money Mystery". I found it at Hank Lee's. It comes with 4 coins and a Sh***. I used it daily for a while now and have had no problems. You can show both sides of a Sh****d coin with no problems, and it even looks good from the sides. Smaller than a half and larger than a quarter. Just my 2 yen.
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smithpaul60 Veteran user South Carolina 301 Posts |
Okay, that was the Magic Warehouse one. Those seem to be the same ones I am talking about. Work great for me. I said the size in my first, albeit incomplete, post.
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
Todd's are not done yet.
They look nice in the pics. The Johnson's are great and hold up well to use. The other Chinese coins that I have seen with character on one side and design on the other are very nice too, and hold up as well as the Johnson coins. The advantage is that they are a little thinner and come with a shell. Later, Mobius |
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jimmyj Veteran user 343 Posts |
George,
It's pretty straight forward, man. You have to match your Chinese coins with the routines you plan on performing. For instance: Are you doing a C/S/B routine? Which one? Are you using the Johnson gaff? Well then, buy the Chinese coins to match...at the Magic Warehouse. I have, and they match perfectly. Are you planning on using Lassen? Well then, you'll have to buy the Lassen Chinese coins to match. Like, I don't get the question? What silver coins are you using? Are you planning on an all Chinese Coin Routine? Jim |
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GeorgeSantos Inner circle San Diego, CA 1106 Posts |
I plan to replace my Coin set (of Kennedy Halves) with Chinese coins. No gaffs involved like what you are saying (C/S/B, etc.), just routines involving sleight of hand with no special coins.
For the shell, I'll probably have it custom made if there is none available in the market.
"David Roth is the greatest coin manipulator in the entire world.."
-Dai Vernon "The Professor" I AM A FILIPINO MAGICIAN |
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Gary Yin Elite user Sabah, Malaysia 449 Posts |
What is Roth's Chinese coin brand?
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GeorgeSantos Inner circle San Diego, CA 1106 Posts |
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On 2007-10-15 23:28, Gary Yin wrote: I'd like to know, too. I also would like to know how these coins are... http://daytonamagic.net/customer/index.c......tId=6260 Anyone here who has tried these coins?
"David Roth is the greatest coin manipulator in the entire world.."
-Dai Vernon "The Professor" I AM A FILIPINO MAGICIAN |
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Kingry Elite user Virginia 464 Posts |
I use the Tango Chinese coin, dollar size, for my Spellbound work. I have been happy with the quality. If I am not mistaken, they make a shell as well.
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
There are good, eye-catching Chinese Coins here about 1/4 from the top: http://www.misdirections.com/accessories.html
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Spydur Special user PDX, now San Diego...back to PDX 966 Posts |
These are the Chinese coins that I use:
http://www.magicdream.fr/plus.php?nbprod=220 They make them in half dollar and dollar size. I have the dollar sized coins, and they are a thing of beauty! Corey |
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
Corey, how much does it cost in USD?
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gillesA4 Special user Brussels, Belgium 593 Posts |
15 Euros is about...21.5 $. Dollar is low these days...
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. (A. Einstein)
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marty.sasaki Inner circle 1117 Posts |
Did Chinese coins ever really have a hole in them? If not, how did magicians come to use coins with holes in them? What do the characters on the coins translate to?
Marty Sasaki
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA Standard disclaimer: I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys occasionally mystifying friends and family, so my opinions should be viewed with this in mind. |
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StevenKidwell New user 39 Posts |
What about the Chinese coins do you like? The hole in the center, the foreign mystic?
There are other options that are inexpensive using real currency from other countries. The African dime for example is a fantastic coin that has a hole in the center, a nice design, and could lend itself to wonderful stories. Most coin shops will have these half dollar sized copper coins in the "grab box" for cents or a few dollars, depends on the shop or vendor. They can also be had on Ebay. Chinese coins today do not have the hole in the center, nor do they have the clean simple chinese character designs. My personal preference is to use only real coins, with actual numismatic value and history. I do have some terrific Chinese coins that are dollar size, and hundreds of years old. But these are rather difficult to come by. The African coins are much easier to find. To answer marty.sasaki's question, yes, many coins have had holes in the center. The feature was primarily used to string coins together with a leather cord. Rather than having the coins loose in a pouch, people could tie them together to carry around. |
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
Actual Chinese Coins have or had a hole in the middle to tie them to a cord for easy carrying...as stated above. Monks in china would also sharpen the edges to be used against bandits at one time and that is believe where the ideas for Shuriken were first born. Police in Japan would also used the tied coins on pressure points when tieing up prisoners for transport.
The coins look cool and that mixed with a strong visual change really sells any effect you use with them. I do Spell bound with them, coins accross, several routines by Curtis Cam and well when you change to a coin that contrasts it rewally hit's home to the spectators. |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
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On 2007-11-12 21:50, marty.sasaki wrote: Yes they had holes. No longer in use though. In Japan there is still a coin with a hole in circulation - the 50 yen coin. Andy
Cards never lie
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
"Chinese coins today do not have the hole in the center, nor do they have the clean simple chinese character designs. My personal preference is to use only real coins, with actual numismatic value and history. I do have some terrific Chinese coins that are dollar size, and hundreds of years old. But these are rather difficult to come by. The African coins are much easier to find."
Those dollar size coins are not rare. I sell them on my website. http://www.geocities.com/larrybarnowsky/kotr6.html They are authentic, mostly early 20th Century, have milled edges, contain some iron so they are attracted by a magnet, and are lighter in weight than a silver dollar and much cheaper than buying Morgans or Peace dollars. There are many designs on them including dragons, boats, emperors, Chinese characters etc. Larry |
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
Larry You can still get and they still use coins in Japan with holes in the center.
I have both Brass and Silver coins from a trip there. They have a hole in the center they are pretty common in Tokyo. They are about the size of a quarter. They do make many coins that are bigger with no holes in them that are in circulation. Teh antique coins you show and sell on your site were used as well on the Show Firefly and in the movie Serenity. Very cool to see them for sale at a decent price. |
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bobn3 Special user Wichita, KS 718 Posts |
Stevens Magic has some beautiful Chinese coin sets from Ton Onosaka. They have four coins, a matching expanded sh..., and a DVD where J.B. Bobo performs and teaches a matrix routine with said coins. They come in the half dollar size:
http://www.stevensmagic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=5094 and the silver dollar size: http://www.stevensmagic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=9420 Bob Phillips |
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