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T.G Kenny
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Hi guys !
I am planning to custom-make a new Tail-Coat(Is that the way you called it?) .
I've seen many magicians with Tail-coat and it is very cool ! Lol .
Anyway , can anyone tell me more about what a tail-coat does ?
Can I hold cards with it ? I usually hold my cards under my belt when doing my card act.

Please shed some light

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The tail coat by itself is only a sort of dress coat woren during and at the turn of the 19th century. The dress by it self consists of a pair of black pants with a outer stripe on them and the tailcoat. If you want to be classical there are a few rules you must folow.
The tail coat has a short front ant two tails at the back. Both pants and coat should be black and is most often made in wool. There should also be worn with white dress shirt, white bowtie and white vest al three in ehite and the same piké. The talcoat should have a white cloth hanky in the breastpocket. Also you must have black painted shoes and black socks.
There are some people that wear a tailcoat with black tie and black vest this is however only acceppted if you are going to a funeral. White vest and Black bow tie is only woren by matredees at resturants.
The shirt that goes with the tailcoat should have cuffliks.
This is a classical tailcoat
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/ci......rack.jpg

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If you would like some wonderful insight into creating tailcoat pockets, read Tommy Wonder The Books of Wonder vol 2. You can also wear a cummerbun which will hold your cards and give you a belly servant (also discussed in Tommy's book) for vanishing and switching objects. A vest also opens you to TONS of possibilities. There are several publications that cover the subject, I found Tommy to have the best insight into all of the misdirection involved with costuming and your interaction with your costume.
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What is the name of the deep pockets that are in the tails?

Prefronds?

Somebody help me out.
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Alright ! Will checkout the book sooner or later Smile
Anyway , where do you guys keep your cards most of the time ? I mean when you are performing your card act ? I usually keep my cards under my belt behind my back with paper clips .

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Kenny
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On 2007-10-16 21:35, scaevola wrote:
What is the name of the deep pockets that are in the tails?

Prefronds?

Somebody help me out.


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Topits..Howard
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I was actually going to post something like this, I hope you don't mind if I ask a question in this thread so as to the forums from getting cluttered.

My question is actually about multiplying balls, Like PseudoManipulator, I would like to wear a tailcoat (I don't plan on making it though). I usually hold my multiplying balls under the edge of my jacket, however, I don't see how I could do this with a tailcoat. Would I place them behind the tails? Also, does Tommy Wonders book cover this?



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Yes , I wanted to ask that question too !
Thanks T.G Danton !
Anyone please shed some light !

Thanks
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Haha..it seems magical minds think alike!
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With a tailcoat you wear either a vest or cummerbun, both of which provide you with places for storing and ditching balls. You could of course hide anything behind the tails, as longs as your misdirection allows you to go back and retrieve them. Tommy Wonder's books do not specifically cover body loads, only those that are used in his effects.

He does cover his manipulation routine that he performed in the 70's seen here : http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/510465/t......_70s.swf
He does his own billiard ball routine in this act.
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Ah, so you would use the vest/cummerbun to hold the balls until you need them. Thanks.

Off topic a little, where would you be able to find a book or dvd which covers body loads for billiard balls?


Back to Tailcoats: PseudoManipulator, Are you ever planning on using doves in your act? just wondered, because if you are planning on having your coat custom made, it would be a good idea to go ahead and have it set up for that.

I am guessing you would also hold candles in your vest/cummerbun when wearing a tailcoat, correct? I use candles in my act currently, so this is something I would need to be able to have in a body load.

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The best info I can say about body loads is to see where your hands go naturally during your performance, and then create your load locations based on that. You can use a ball clip (or any other clip for candles, cards, etc...) anywhere in your jacket, it doesn't have to be at the waistline. One thing I do is stand in front of a mirror and go through the motions as I would want them to look, then devise a way to make everything else fit into that. You don't want your presentation to revolve around your gimmicks; your gimmicks should support your presentation.


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Watch Tommy Wonder's vanish of the egg and lemon at the end of this routine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqLvPaQOsQ
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Thanks Matt...I agree with 100% about not letting your gimmicks run the show.
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Geffory Buckingham..his video covers it all..Cordially,Howard
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Hey Thanks Howard. I will look into that.

Maybe after my next gig I'll be able to think about placing an order. *laugh*

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I forgot..Ron MacMillan's SYMPHONY OF THE SPHERES.He ends up wiht a 14 ball production.Lewis Ganson wrote the book.All holders ect. are explained..Cordially,Howard
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Hey Danton ,
Yeap magical minds do think alike ! lmao

Yes , I planned to use dove for my act , unfortunately it is very difficult for me to obtain a dove in my town . I am wondering can I order my doves somewhere else on the internet ? I think that is not possible . Sigh ...

Anyway , I am getting more and more interested in Tail-Coat !

Best ,
Kenny
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I forgot..THE NEW EXPERT BILLIARD BALL MANIPULATION by BURLING HULL.It is a Mickey Hades publication..Howard
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