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emanmagic5 Special user Toronto, Canada 614 Posts |
Anyone have the 2'nd editions of Gaurdians?
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
My goodness those were released yesterday.....
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emanmagic5 Special user Toronto, Canada 614 Posts |
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On 2007-10-20 19:12, Blindside785 wrote: Well maybe some got super fast shipping lol! |
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Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
I've got a couple coming. I was not really impressed with the first edition. I hold high hopes for the second. We will see.
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On 2007-10-18 19:53, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I'm just curious. How many of you have the same inclination to believe this sort of thing? I've heard a few people say: "Cards like this scream gaffed" or "They look like they are gaffed to the hilt". I mean...Do laymen really know what a "gaff" is? If you walked up to ten people on the street and asked each of them the question: "Do you know what a gaff is"? How many would say yes and then proceed to explain the meaning. Not many I'd wager. I think laymen tend to think things like "Those cards look kind of strange. I wonder if they are special magicians cards"? And couldn't their suspicions be quelled by simply handing them the deck and saying "Please take a look at these cards. They may look different, But I assure you that they are completely normal" Or something along those lines? After looking at the deck, would there suspicions not be put to rest and then you could just continue as normal. If laymen did think that cards were gaffed, Would they not think the same thing about normal everyday cards (Like bikes) as well? I mean..they have seen you perform magic with them. Why would they not think that those cards were "gaffed" as well. I just don't see the big deal here. What does everyone else think? Tim
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
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shek Loyal user Los Angeles, CA 244 Posts |
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On 2007-10-31 23:24, Timj32 wrote: I completely agree with you. I don't think the use of a deck spectators have never seen really diminishes an effect. I feel that as long as the performer has a good presentation, the effect will be magical, regardless of the fact that bright neon yellow cards are being used. If the audience pauses to think "hmm...are these cards 'gaffed'?" you haven't done your job. On the other hand, I feel there are some instances where certain cards well enhance the presentation. For example, when I do the haunted pack, I like to use E's viper deck as I patter about dark, demonic forces and the like. On the other hand, if I was doing a gambling routine, I would probably not want to use a Viper or Tiger deck (although maybe the 1800's). Those cards would just feel out of place...the effect would be enhanced by the use of "normal" cards that people use in card games themselves. |
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Mercury52 Inner circle Kevin Reylek 2239 Posts |
For as often as I see people on this forum complain about these various specialty decks "screaming gaff" to their audiences, it's not something I've ever been called on.
Typically, I use red bikes. Once in awhile, I'll break out one of the special E decks. Here's a scenario I remember from a few years back... I performed a few effects and flourishes for a classmate with some Black Tigers. He said "It's amazing that you can do all that with regular cards." The very next day, I was doing some more performing for a different group, this time with regular blue bikes. After a little waterfall-type flourish, a girl asked, "Are those special cards?" It's rare that I'm asked about the "validity" of any deck that I'm using. But I thought it was quite funny that in a 2 days span, one person commented about the Tigers being "totally normal", while another asked about my regular BLUE bikes being some time of special deck. I can understand if someone doesn't particularly like any of these decks, feels they don't fit their style, or are just too expensive, because I think those are all valid points. But I do not, and have never felt that any of these decks raise suspicion in an audience any more than ANY deck of cards a magician pulls out of his pocket. Kevin
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Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
Shek,
Great post and great point. I agree that a deck can enhance certain effects by setting the "mood". And that presentation is more important than what type of props are being used. Thanks. Mercury52, Thanks for the great story. This is exactly one of the points that I was trying to get at in my post above. If spectators can think cards are "gaffed" why would they not think that normal bikes that you perform magic with are not gaffed. So, to me at least, This sort of negates the whole "Specialty cards scream gaffed" point of view. Excellent example. And your right, If these types of cards don't fit your style or your budget, absolutely don't use them. In the end it comes down to personal preference as well. I'm like you, Red bikes are my choice as well. But I do love my specialty decks sometimes. Thanks for the great responses and I'm sorry that this is sort of off topic. I just think its an interesting subject. Tim
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
You're missing it. IMHO this is not about 'gaffed' as much as how THEY relate to the props you are using.
When you use their deck, gold borders and kitty cats or whatever - they KNOW the cards are just cards. When you take out your own special cool looking deck it's several times removed from what they have and puts the tricks you do into a "props" and "their stuff which is special" frame. It becomes about YOUR cards. About YOU and YOUR STUFF more than them and the moment. Again, IMHO.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
This is a different subject in my opinion. You talking about a borrowed deck in comparison to one which not. ANY cards that you bring to the table are going to be looked upon as "strange" simply because they are YOURS and you perform some magical effects with them. I don't really think it matters what they look like. If the same card keeps rising to the top for example, Would they not be suspicious of the regular bicycle cards that this was happening to. It is fairly odd if you think about it.
How do you make them feel like the deck is "like theirs" and normal? Simply hand it to them. This accomplishes a few this not the least of which is making them feel more included in what you refer to as "The moment" and it also reinforces the fact that the cards are not "Funny". And if they do have deck at home with funny kitty cats on them or what have you, Why would they think that a different colored deck is strange? They were already exposed to a custom deck and thus should know that this is not out of the norm. Keep going everybody. Great discussion. Tim
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Looks like you've got the distance thing covered.
While some may wish to go the ne-plus-ultra (nothing too good) for their cards, others may want the cards to seem like they just grabbed the deck they use to play cards and brought it along for a game later or to show some magic. Quote:
On 2007-11-01 12:57, Timj32 wrote: here's where the two worlds (their life and magicdom) cross; when you take out something obviously special they will want to touch and examine them just to connect with the item, not even thinking about counting them to see if extras or if any weird mechanical things but just to connect this artifact of your world to their own world of everyday experience. Impressive looking cards are cool. Just maybe also need some way get them into a volunteer's hands every now and then up front so the audience can more fully appreciate the art and feel less at a distance due to the cards being both yours and not from wallmart but special. IMHO that extra distance adds a factor to the performance which may (or may not) need to be addressed.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
I feel as if after the performance the people think the deck is gaffed then I did my job... right? if a trick deck is the only explanation then I must have rocked it. Personally, I like odd decks and I have never been called out by someone saying they are gaffed as soon as I pull them out. Fact is, the average joe doesn't even know what tallys or bikes are. Playing cards are playing cards and mine just happen to be cooler looking. It's all about presentation and gaining trust through communication. If people don't trust you, its your presentation and not the cards. If a deck of cards can keep someone's attention because they look cool then that's all the better for me. I'll be getting a few and actually use them, if they work out I'll maybe use them as my main deck. I too hated the tiger deck but I have no idea why, I bought 2 decks and just never liked performing with them.
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sibbie Special user East Coast 525 Posts |
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On 2007-10-31 23:24, Timj32 wrote: Something anyone who thinks that people are going to think the deck is special needs to understand is that these kind of decks are available almost anywhere now. Black Tigers can be bought off the shelf at Books-A-Million. Several different colored decks are available at Wal-Mart. It is something that is becoming more and more readily available. Regardless of what deck you are using if they think it is marked or special they are going to say so. I have never been called on a "special" deck other than on the look but have been called on with a regular deck of Bicycles. |
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Al Straker Grammar Host Australia 1129 Posts |
Interesting disucssion.
Whatever cards you use, just hand the deck over for shuffling and voila! No more thoughts of a gaffed deck. I have bought Ghosts and Tigers for specific applications when the atmosphere of the effect CALLS for using an unusual deck. Eg: For an effect in Capricornian Tales (Christian Chelman) about life and death, I used two aged specialty decks to represent a deck of life and deck of death. I think if the plot of an effect has the appropriate type of theme, these decks can really add to the impact and atmosphere of the effect. Like anything other tool it's a case of matching it to the right application. Cheers, Al
Al Straker
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Ray_Mago New user Rio Rancho 82 Posts |
This may be just me, but there is nothing better than saying, "these cards are ordinary, except for the fact that they are cool,"
or saying, "this deck was made by a voodoo priest, and as you will see they have very STRANGE powers." then people will really believe you are magical, just my 2 cents worth.
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
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Something anyone who thinks that people are going to think the deck is special needs to understand is that these kind of decks are available almost anywhere now. Black Tigers can be bought off the shelf at Books-A-Million. Several different colored decks are available at Wal-Mart. It is something that is becoming more and more readily available. US Playing Card Co prints so many different colored decks of cards now.I've seen black cards, clear cards, green, purple, pink, "neon" colors. To break out a deck of Black Tigers, Shadow Masters, etc isn't an issue. There have been countless times I've taken out a blue deck of Bikes and the audience immediately asked if it was a trick deck. The fact is ANY deck of cards a magician brings to the table is immediately suspect. |
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THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) Inner circle Minnesota, USA 2379 Posts |
You are 100% correct about that. I've had people ask if normal bikes are normal, but never ask if Black Tigers are gaffed. They treat those as if they are just like any other deck they've seen.
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Irishghost Inner circle www.gaffguy.com 1228 Posts |
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On 2007-11-02 01:48, djkuttdecks wrote: Right on man.
I get to gaff some cool stuff for some cool people
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