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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3062 Posts |
Thank you to all! Chris, I accept your honestly and respect it. It will not just be a single effect DVD, as I qwill likely include a few more effects with it. You're right, it is not going to just stand alone.
In 808, the deck "can" be spread rikght after you remove it from the case. I put the word can in parenthesis because it is only the way it appears to the audience. a minor sleight must be done just before you spread the deck. Basically, what I do when I do 808 is immediatelyt remove the deck and allow the specvtator to thoroughly shuffle the cards. That gives them the feel that they have been in control the entire t5ime. That's what makes 808 so strong.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Mike,
I would love to see this. I'm friends with the person who's probably the one name most associated with such a plot (his method was used by Cyril on tv) and I would, as I'm sure he would, love to see it. Ben Train
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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3062 Posts |
I will have to show you next time we jam, Ben!
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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3062 Posts |
Hmm... Well, I have officially made a rock-solid decision. Due to recent controversy on such a product and the fact that my method is a "step backwards" from other methods, I have decid3ed to put this effect back as a bonus effect in CARDiciations.
Michael
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
It seems that not a lot of thinking has gone into 808. I to am interested in who the big names are that recommend this?
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Mike sent me a copy of 808.
First, when reading his recent comments, regarding not releasing until he does some research, remember this: Quote:
On 2007-10-20 20:56, Michaelmystic2003 wrote: Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be the case, by Mike's own admittance. I saw ZERO credits in the book(let- it was only 4 pages). As I mentioned to Mike, the method he describes is a huge step backwards. I promised not to reveal anything, and I won't. Regarding something Christopher Williams wrote though- everything IS examinable... after the cellophane has been removed, the box opened, and the cards removed. This only strengthens my point though about stepping backwards- the classic solution leaves you with a deck that can be handed to the audiance to examine, with the cellophane and box still intact. THEY open it and remove the cards. Anything that doesn't allow that, really, isn't worth publishing. (Chris, I realized you addressed all this) My big concern here is that this effect was thought to be so good that it would merit its own dvd, while the other material would have to be released as a unit. Since 808 is clearly "lacking", what hope can we have for the other material? Ben p.s. Something that tickled my fancy- Y2john: Huh... earlier you said it was a worker. Mike: I said it was a worker? No, and I apologize if it came across that way. Y2john: No need to apologise... you didn't state it was a worker... I just checked to see and yor right. The humor? Mike's opening comments in his booklet 808: "This is one of the many variations of the Signed Card to Sealed Deck concept. Most of them either require a heavy gimmick, palming, or an unwrapped deck. My version eliminates all of those components and then some to create THE PERFECT WORKERS PIECE*. Enjoy, and happy magic! - Michael Kras" *emphasis was mine Additionally, in the manuscript: "Place this in your case or pocket as well as another opened deck of cards and a Sharpie marker and you are ready for the perfect worker’s effect."
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
Bummer.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
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On 2007-10-21 22:55, BrianMillerMagic wrote: I'm in agreement. I know Mike from a local magic camp, and talk with him about once a month, always about this issue- trying to release material before he's ready. But, like an addict, he wont stop. Bummer.
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
Yes, I'm well aware he does this. *Sigh* It's no use trying to get through to him about it. He'll continue to tarnish his already damaged reputation in the magic community.
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cosmicsecret Special user Germany - Mannheim 504 Posts |
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krisnevling Regular user clearfield, pa 142 Posts |
There is a super easy version in Hollingworth's book Drawing room deceptions that uses a very sneaky principle that allows you to perform this effect with virtually no sleight of hand(like Michaelmystic2003 said,"If you can do a double lift you can do this version." Except in Guy's version one spectator can be holding the unopened deck BEFORE the card is selected and SIGNED. Then the magician NEVER touches the sealed deck again. The spectator holding it is allowed to open the deck to find one face down card in it. It is shown to be the signed card. No palming, the magician never touches the sealed deck once the other spectator is asked to hold it, and this is all done before the card is selected. I'm sure Christopher knows this method. I love the concept because it is so sneaky and have developed a few pretty cool routines that use the principle. From the sounds of it this NEW method is far LESS superior and should be a free instant download or something like that.
I am 27 years old and have been performing magic for 12 years. My main interest is in card magic, but I love all aspects of it. I love to discuss magic with anyone. Feel free to email me anytime.
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jordanjohnson Special user Hiding in the Shadows 593 Posts |
Haha it has gone from a single trick on a dvd to now a free instant download lol
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
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On 2007-10-21 23:53, krisnevling wrote: Hi Kris, yes I know the method, and it is INCREDIBLY sneaky, and I love it. Would never use it myself, but I really do love it. Michael, so you don't KEEP getting shot down in public, my advice...is to send it to a Café member who is respected FIRST, before getting a friend to hype it for you, as else these types of threads will always happen |
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msc455magic Inner circle Taipei, Taiwan 1523 Posts |
I have been following this thread for a few days already. All I can say now is... "Bummer!"
My 1 NT, Charles
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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3062 Posts |
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On 2007-10-21 23:02, BrianMillerMagic wrote: I don't understand why this is wrong.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2007-10-22 07:51, Michaelmystic2003 wrote: This is indeed the heart of the problem.
Danny Doyle
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Robert M Inner circle 2482 Posts |
Michael strikes me a very intelligent and determined young man. If I'm not mistaken, I believe that Michael is only 14 or 15 years old, which explains a lot. He hasn't had time to do the research, and he probably doesn't have the $$ to invest in a lot of books and DVDs.
My advice is be patient! What's the big rush?? Direct your energies toward studying all aspects of magic, and when you're 18 or 21 or even better 25, only then should you consider releasing your ideas to the magic fraternity IF they're original and worth publishing. This would not even be an issue if it weren't for the Internet, of course. It's far too easy for inexperienced magicians to try and make a name for themselves before they're ready. Frankly, this applies to the vast majority of single trick magic DVDs that are being sold today, IMO. There's nothing wrong with being enthusiastic about magic. But, try directing all this energy towards building your knowledge through study, research, practice, and experimentation, as opposed to selling the first ideas that pop into your head. If you do this, we'll probably all be buying your tricks in 10 years. Robert |
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
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On 2007-10-22 07:51, Michaelmystic2003 wrote: Well, I suppose it isn't wrong, it's just a bad idea. If you enjoy having a reputation for poor quality, unfinished effects with zero customer satisfaction, then you may continue to do just as you are. I really hate to say something that harsh because it is not in my character to do so, but come on Michael! This is beyond silly. |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
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On 2007-10-22 11:30, Robert M wrote: I know Michael, and this is bang on. He is a gifted writer, and has more confidence then most pros I've met. But, that's the problem. If he was a moron it wouldn't be an issue- then repeating the same mistake over and over again could somehow be justified. The fact that he IS so intelligent is what boggles my mind. How many times can he keep repeating the same mistake, going through the same process of over hyping, criticism, and eventual removal of the said product, before he learns? Mike knows I'm still his boy- in fact, we're getting together to jam when he comes to see David Roth (ahem... for those interested in Roth's Toronto, Montreal, Kitchener, or US appearances, feel free to contact me!). Mike, keep reading, learning, and practicing, and one day, IN 10 OR 15 YEARS, you will have some killer stuff to release. Ben
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jordanjohnson Special user Hiding in the Shadows 593 Posts |
Isn't this what is wrong with with a lot of magic today?? People rushing to release the next big great never before thought of method (or so they say). They don't do the research they rush through the production and they put half-assed tricks that should be on a dvd with a compilation of other tricks onto a single dvd, hype it up till it is out of proportion so they can make there money all the while taking away money from very good performers that think this is the next big effect to enter the magic world. Also remarketing trick that have been done years ago by the great magicians of the past and crediting it all to themselves and trying to make themselves sound like they are such creative thinkers. Im not aiming this at you personally Michael (Digital Dissolve did the same thing). Im just sick of the lack of effort that has been put into tricks and the crediting of tricks these days.
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